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Dustin Waits · February 17th, 2004, 06:59 PM

Today my boss gave me two 17" monitors that he didn't need anymore so I want to hook them up to my nle. Right now there is an Nvidia Geforce 4 with a single 17" monitor. What graphics cards do you guys recommend? I'm on a really strict budget as I'm trying to save up for school so $150 is the max right now and thats even pushing the limits a bit. I have spotted these two cards at bh but I don't understand the difference between the two. Here are the links...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=309478&is=REG

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=284474&is=REG

I also noticed with these cards that the connections consist of one VGA (which is the normal monitor connection right?), one dvi (don't know what that is), and one S-video. So what type of adapter will I need to connect my second monitor? Thanks in advance.

Dustin Waits · February 17th, 2004, 07:00 PM

Or what about the PNY Geforce FX 5200?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=282318&is=REG

Gints Klimanis · February 17th, 2004, 07:06 PM

DVI is a digital interface that's generally used to connect to LCD monitors. It skips the Digital-> Analog and Analog-> Digital conversion that takes place for LCD monitors connected by VGA.

BTW, I am still stunned that electronics stores demonstrate 18+" LCD monitors that are connected to a VGA splitter. The echos are
atrocious and totally turn me off from buying the product.

Glenn Chan · February 17th, 2004, 07:10 PM

newegg.com is usually the best place for buying computer parts.

Info-Tek GECUBE ATI RADEON 7000 Video Card, 64MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 4X AGP, Model "GC-R7000-B3" -RETAIL
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...161-101&depa=0
$37 Radeon 7000 that supports dual VGA.

The video card does not affect the rendering speed of anything as far as I know. With *certain* programs, your video card can give you more real-time. Until you use those programs, a $37 might be a good buy considering how quickly computer prices fall. If you want to play games or get better 3d performance, a Radeon 9100 would be a good buy. Check that it has the right outputs (DVI-VGA adapter indicates the DVI output can do a VGA signal).

A better card might give you better 2d quality because of better RAMDACs... I'm just speculating though. With a 17" monitor (not that big), the quality of the RAMDACs (the last part is digital to analog converter) shouldn't be a problem.

Gints Klimanis · February 17th, 2004, 07:27 PM

If you're not playing games or doing fancy 3D work, just stick to basic graphics cards which can be had for about $50 (GeForce2 or Vanta family). If you buy nVidia cards, you can manage several displays with their nView software.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_nview.html

Since you already have the single AGP slot filled up with your nVidia GeForce4, look for a PCI card. If you're doing two monitors, this is cake. If you plan to go for three, you'll need a total of two cards or one card with dual VGA outputs.

Here's a PCI Dual head card:

Jaton - - Jaton GeForce4 MX440 64MB Dual Head PCI MFN VIDEO-158PCI-64TWIN
Details:
-Jaton GeForce4 MX440 64MB Dual Head PCI Video Card Retail

TotalCost $58.39
Price - $53
Shipping - $2.95 - 5.39 FedEx Ground

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Dustin Waits · February 17th, 2004, 07:38 PM

The AGP and the PCI part confuses me? Can you break it down for me?

Adrian Douglas · February 17th, 2004, 08:22 PM

AGP is a dedicated port for graphics cards. It's usually found above the PCI slots on your motherboard.

PCI slots are where your other cards, like LAN, sound, etc, plug in.

XP allows you to use both AGP and PCI cards together in the same system and specify with card will be your primary.

I've been using dual monitors for the last 4 years with a Matrox G400 and it's been a great card. Not the best for gaming/3D performance but for video work it's excellent.

I'd be going with an AGP dual head card as you'll have less hassles and PCI graphics cards can sometimes cause conflicts.

Dustin Waits · February 17th, 2004, 09:09 PM

Okay cool thanks. I think I have settled on the PNY Nvidia GeforceFX 5200. So when I install this thing, I should turn off my comp, pull out the old card, put in the new one, boot up and make sure the new card is loaded successfully, then delete the old one from the device manager. Is that the correct process of changing out the video card?

Adrian Douglas · February 17th, 2004, 09:48 PM

Shut your computer down and change the cards. When you reboot you'll be in VGA 640x480 mode which is the WIndows default. From there uninstall your old driver then install the new one. It's all pretty straight forward and you shouldn't have any problems. Once the dual monitor driver is installed you should be able to config everything using the Display Properties dialog.

Any problems let us know.

Dustin Waits · February 17th, 2004, 10:15 PM

Alright thanks.

Bogdan Vaglarov · February 18th, 2004, 12:59 AM

Yeah, I also would recomend the nVidia FX5200 as a cheap solution.

Matrox are better but even 450 is nearly 100$ and if you want S-video out you have to buy adaptor cable (another 20-30$) and ocupy one of the VGA slots.

I just made my system and have Radeon 9200 but it's implementation of multy monitors is not so straightforward. It can not also span the view between two monitors.

There is very nice article on Toms hardware (although consirning gamers) but you can get the idea of using multy monitors very well. Examples of the managing software too - nView really looks very simple.

Dustin Waits · February 18th, 2004, 07:58 AM

Yea I should be able to get everything switched over with out any problems now. I just wanted to be sure on the process of doing so. That way I would'nt go try it and mess something up. I have a Geforce4 in it right now so I already know how to use the nview software and everything.

Glenn Chan · February 18th, 2004, 01:22 PM

The 5200 might be more video card than you need. Also, the link you gave is to a PCI version of the card. AGP gives you better performance, if you actually need it.

newegg.com should be cheaper than B&H. Free shipping, slightly lower prices at newegg. newegg's resellerratings.com rating is very good and lots of people have had good experiences with them.

Hmm if you want more video card then you need, then look at the
ASUS nVIDIA GeForce4 TI4200-8X Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, Dual DVI/VIVO, 8X AGP, Model "V9280/VS" -RETAIL $125
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...force%2Cti4200
It has dual DVI + VGA if you eventually want to run 2 LCDs via DVI connection, AGP (better performance than PCI), and should be much faster than the FX5200. As far as 3d performance in games go, the FX5200 stacks up roughly as follows:
GF FX 5200 64-bit
Radeon 9200SE
Radeon LE
GF DDR
Radeon DDR
V5 5500
GF2 GTS
Kyro II
GF2 Pro
Kyro II SE
GF2 Ti
Radeon 7500
Xabre 400
Radeon 9000
GF4 MX440
GF2 Ultra
GF4 MX460
Radeon 9600SE
GF FX 5200
Xabre 600
Radeon AIW 7500
Radeon 9000 Pro
GF FX 5200 Ultra
GF3 Ti200
Radeon 9500
Parhelia
GF FX 5600
Radeon 9100
Radeon 8500LE
GF3
GF3 Ti500
Radeon 8500
GF4 Ti4200
(complete list at http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm)
I don't think you want that much video card though, unless you play games.

Nvidia seems to be slightly better than ATI cards for dual monitor setups, according to Tech Report. http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2...n/index.x?pg=1 The difference as far as I can tell is that ATI cards can't have 2 taskbars.

Tim Frank · February 24th, 2004, 12:41 PM

If you have XP, it should remove the old video card from device manager and install the new one automatically. Just load the drivers CD that came with the card, don't worry about deleting old drivers or something like that.

February 17th, 2004, 06:59 PM	#1
Dustin Waits Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft. Myers Beach, Fl Posts: 243	Graphics card for dual set up. Today my boss gave me two 17" monitors that he didn't need anymore so I want to hook them up to my nle. Right now there is an Nvidia Geforce 4 with a single 17" monitor. What graphics cards do you guys recommend? I'm on a really strict budget as I'm trying to save up for school so $150 is the max right now and thats even pushing the limits a bit. I have spotted these two cards at bh but I don't understand the difference between the two. Here are the links... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=309478&is=REG http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=284474&is=REG I also noticed with these cards that the connections consist of one VGA (which is the normal monitor connection right?), one dvi (don't know what that is), and one S-video. So what type of adapter will I need to connect my second monitor? Thanks in advance.

February 17th, 2004, 08:22 PM	#7
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	AGP is a dedicated port for graphics cards. It's usually found above the PCI slots on your motherboard. PCI slots are where your other cards, like LAN, sound, etc, plug in. XP allows you to use both AGP and PCI cards together in the same system and specify with card will be your primary. I've been using dual monitors for the last 4 years with a Matrox G400 and it's been a great card. Not the best for gaming/3D performance but for video work it's excellent. I'd be going with an AGP dual head card as you'll have less hassles and PCI graphics cards can sometimes cause conflicts. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

February 17th, 2004, 09:48 PM	#9
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Shut your computer down and change the cards. When you reboot you'll be in VGA 640x480 mode which is the WIndows default. From there uninstall your old driver then install the new one. It's all pretty straight forward and you shouldn't have any problems. Once the dual monitor driver is installed you should be able to config everything using the Display Properties dialog. Any problems let us know. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

February 17th, 2004, 07:00 PM	#2
Dustin Waits Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft. Myers Beach, Fl Posts: 243	Or what about the PNY Geforce FX 5200? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=282318&is=REG

February 17th, 2004, 07:06 PM	#3
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	DVI is a digital interface that's generally used to connect to LCD monitors. It skips the Digital-> Analog and Analog-> Digital conversion that takes place for LCD monitors connected by VGA. BTW, I am still stunned that electronics stores demonstrate 18+" LCD monitors that are connected to a VGA splitter. The echos are atrocious and totally turn me off from buying the product.

February 17th, 2004, 07:10 PM	#4
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	newegg.com is usually the best place for buying computer parts. Info-Tek GECUBE ATI RADEON 7000 Video Card, 64MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 4X AGP, Model "GC-R7000-B3" -RETAIL http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...161-101&depa=0 $37 Radeon 7000 that supports dual VGA. The video card does not affect the rendering speed of anything as far as I know. With certain programs, your video card can give you more real-time. Until you use those programs, a $37 might be a good buy considering how quickly computer prices fall. If you want to play games or get better 3d performance, a Radeon 9100 would be a good buy. Check that it has the right outputs (DVI-VGA adapter indicates the DVI output can do a VGA signal). A better card might give you better 2d quality because of better RAMDACs... I'm just speculating though. With a 17" monitor (not that big), the quality of the RAMDACs (the last part is digital to analog converter) shouldn't be a problem.

February 17th, 2004, 07:27 PM	#5
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	If you're not playing games or doing fancy 3D work, just stick to basic graphics cards which can be had for about $50 (GeForce2 or Vanta family). If you buy nVidia cards, you can manage several displays with their nView software. http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_nview.html Since you already have the single AGP slot filled up with your nVidia GeForce4, look for a PCI card. If you're doing two monitors, this is cake. If you plan to go for three, you'll need a total of two cards or one card with dual VGA outputs. Here's a PCI Dual head card: Jaton - - Jaton GeForce4 MX440 64MB Dual Head PCI MFN VIDEO-158PCI-64TWIN Details: -Jaton GeForce4 MX440 64MB Dual Head PCI Video Card Retail TotalCost $58.39 Price - $53 Shipping - $2.95 - 5.39 FedEx Ground eWiz.com Score 114 / 149 Feedbacks 408-934-2500 Also from : Newegg.com Score 315 / 334 Feedbacks 800-390-1119 909-395-9046 La Puente , CA 408-934-2500 San Jose , CA Info ...

February 17th, 2004, 07:38 PM	#6
Dustin Waits Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft. Myers Beach, Fl Posts: 243	The AGP and the PCI part confuses me? Can you break it down for me?

February 17th, 2004, 09:09 PM	#8
Dustin Waits Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft. Myers Beach, Fl Posts: 243	Okay cool thanks. I think I have settled on the PNY Nvidia GeforceFX 5200. So when I install this thing, I should turn off my comp, pull out the old card, put in the new one, boot up and make sure the new card is loaded successfully, then delete the old one from the device manager. Is that the correct process of changing out the video card?

February 17th, 2004, 10:15 PM	#10
Dustin Waits Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft. Myers Beach, Fl Posts: 243	Alright thanks.

February 18th, 2004, 12:59 AM	#11
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Yeah, I also would recomend the nVidia FX5200 as a cheap solution. Matrox are better but even 450 is nearly 100$ and if you want S-video out you have to buy adaptor cable (another 20-30$) and ocupy one of the VGA slots. I just made my system and have Radeon 9200 but it's implementation of multy monitors is not so straightforward. It can not also span the view between two monitors. There is very nice article on Toms hardware (although consirning gamers) but you can get the idea of using multy monitors very well. Examples of the managing software too - nView really looks very simple.

February 18th, 2004, 07:58 AM	#12
Dustin Waits Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft. Myers Beach, Fl Posts: 243	Yea I should be able to get everything switched over with out any problems now. I just wanted to be sure on the process of doing so. That way I would'nt go try it and mess something up. I have a Geforce4 in it right now so I already know how to use the nview software and everything.

February 18th, 2004, 01:22 PM	#13
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	The 5200 might be more video card than you need. Also, the link you gave is to a PCI version of the card. AGP gives you better performance, if you actually need it. newegg.com should be cheaper than B&H. Free shipping, slightly lower prices at newegg. newegg's resellerratings.com rating is very good and lots of people have had good experiences with them. Hmm if you want more video card then you need, then look at the ASUS nVIDIA GeForce4 TI4200-8X Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, Dual DVI/VIVO, 8X AGP, Model "V9280/VS" -RETAIL $125 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...force%2Cti4200 It has dual DVI + VGA if you eventually want to run 2 LCDs via DVI connection, AGP (better performance than PCI), and should be much faster than the FX5200. As far as 3d performance in games go, the FX5200 stacks up roughly as follows: GF FX 5200 64-bit Radeon 9200SE Radeon LE GF DDR Radeon DDR V5 5500 GF2 GTS Kyro II GF2 Pro Kyro II SE GF2 Ti Radeon 7500 Xabre 400 Radeon 9000 GF4 MX440 GF2 Ultra GF4 MX460 Radeon 9600SE GF FX 5200 Xabre 600 Radeon AIW 7500 Radeon 9000 Pro GF FX 5200 Ultra GF3 Ti200 Radeon 9500 Parhelia GF FX 5600 Radeon 9100 Radeon 8500LE GF3 GF3 Ti500 Radeon 8500 GF4 Ti4200 (complete list at http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm) I don't think you want that much video card though, unless you play games. Nvidia seems to be slightly better than ATI cards for dual monitor setups, according to Tech Report. http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2...n/index.x?pg=1 The difference as far as I can tell is that ATI cards can't have 2 taskbars.

February 24th, 2004, 12:41 PM	#14
Tim Frank Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: TN Posts: 166	If you have XP, it should remove the old video card from device manager and install the new one automatically. Just load the drivers CD that came with the card, don't worry about deleting old drivers or something like that.