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Steven Salmon · February 16th, 2004, 09:45 AM

Hello. I am after a little bit of advise. I have been running my video business well for nearly a year. I have two XM2 camera's a sound knowledge of Premiere Pro and a good editing computer.

I am now ready to make the big jump. I need some advise on what type of tape deck I could purchase to transfer my footage to my machine. At this moment I use my Matrox RT.X100 Extreme card's scan and capture from one of my XM2's but obviously I am worried that this is not an idea solution and I will kill the heads of my recorder. Also, I dont feel comfortable using a camera to transfer footage.

I am looking for the best option but obviously keeping the cost to a realistic level. My workload for 2004 is far greater than I could of imagined so I want to be well prepared.

Thank you in advance.

Steven

Jean-Philippe Archibald · February 16th, 2004, 10:11 AM

You might want to consider an external drive for recording your videos.

a Quickstream or a Firestore device will cost you about the price of a DV deck but you will never have to capture mini dv tapes again!

Edward Troxel · February 16th, 2004, 10:45 AM

I have a Panasonic AG-DV2000 that works well. Other choices include the Sony DSR series of decks.

Aaron Koolen · February 16th, 2004, 01:04 PM

Edward, on the Panny deck, is the IEEE 1394 device control responsive? I'm slowly looking for a deck too and I'd like one that was quick to stop, play, rewind etc unlike cameras which are veeeeery slow.

Cheers
Aaron

Edward Troxel · February 16th, 2004, 01:27 PM

I think it is. However, if you're rewinding to start a batch capture at the 10 minute mark, it will rewind to just after 10 minutes then do a "stop". However, because of the speed of the rewind, it may not get stopped until it hits the 7 minute mark! Batch then just runs it forward to proper spot so all is fine. (Does the same thing when manually pushing the buttons, though - just the nature of fast rewinds/fast forwards)

I like the deck. It has performed very well for me.

Passthrough to/from firewire from/to analog works great too.

Steven Salmon · February 16th, 2004, 03:25 PM

Ah. I did not think of a Quickstream device. Has anybody had much dealings with this piece of hardware. The costs sound reasonable but I worry that it's just another device to go wrong on the big day. Thoughts anyone?

Thank you to all your replies so far.

Many thanks

Steven

Tyler Gred · February 23rd, 2004, 07:46 PM

What are some of the more reasonable decks on the market? I am looking at a JVC SR-VS30U right now. Any thoughts on that? Are there any cheaper?

Glenn Chan · February 23rd, 2004, 11:43 PM

Tyler, lots of people report problems with the JVC deck. Most people recommend the Sony DSR-11, and the cheaper Panasonic decks seem to be ok.

Sony sells some cheaper mini-DV decks that are small, have a LCD screen, and use camcorder tape mechanisms (apparently not as fast as a real deck). I think you might as well get a cheap camera to use as a deck, hopefully one with analog-digital passthrough (converts analog to DV or back on the fly- may not be necessary).

Alan Craven · February 24th, 2004, 08:40 AM

I have used a Sony Walkman GV-D300 for the past three years and found it excellent for import/export using either a straight firewire port or the Pinnacle DV500. You have full device control from within the software with either. It also works well with Scenalyzer.

That model has no screen and is no longer available. its replacement is the GV-D1000 (I think) and this has a small TFT screen.

Ray Echevers · June 4th, 2004, 09:15 AM

I too will somewhat soon be looking to get a dv deck or mini dv cam.
Will any cheap mini dv camera work well?
I'm just worried about quality transfer.
I guess it be nice to have a 2nd small camera and use it as deck.
I'd get a mini dv deck, but all the ones i've come across are in the $1000 and up range.
So should I buy the cheapest Sony MiniDV camera and use it as a deck? If so which one?

Bob Safay · August 16th, 2004, 09:27 AM

I have had both the Panni dv2000 and the dv1000. I have had them both for years and have NEVER had a problem with either one. Bob

Glenn Chan · August 16th, 2004, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Will any cheap mini dv camera work well?
I'm just worried about quality transfer.
I guess it be nice to have a 2nd small camera and use it as deck.

Using a cheap camcorder is fine. The quality is exactly the same since the transfer is digital.

However, I do have a Samsung camera with really horrid deck control and it will get dropouts on some transfers. As long as you don't get a piece of crap like that you will be fine. I would look for a cheap used camcorder. Features to look for:

Top loading (most newer cams are bottom loading. In any case, just search for reviews or look at the picture of the camera to figure out if it's bottom loading or not)

Good deck control. Sony cameras all have good deck control. Canon and Panasonic cameras are fine. The Samsung SCD55 I owned is crap.

analog-digital passthrough if you need it (convert from analog to DV/firewire and vice versa on the fly).

Good camera features and image quality if you'd like a 2nd or 3rd camera. A lot of the old Panasonic models are good, and all of their 3CCD ones. Check out dvfreak.com 's buyer's guide for some recommendations too.

Price. I don't see problems buying used as long as you're getting the camera for a low price. Also, old cameras are just as good if not better than newer ones (they tend to have better low light and are more likely to be top loading).

Ray Echevers · August 17th, 2004, 09:34 AM

I might eventually but a new lower end sony small mini dv camera.
A deck and a vacation/everyday camera/deck in all in one.

Mark Williams · August 17th, 2004, 11:59 AM

Stephen,

I am using a cheap $327 panasonic S9 camera as my playback deck. Been doing to for about 6 weeks now and have run about 30 hours of tape thru it. However, if I had known that Firestore was coming out with a reasonably priced portable drive I would have opted for it instead. They have a GREAT reputation. Stay away from the Quickstream. I have been following this product for about a year and almost bought one. But discovered many users report nothing but problems.

Regards,

Mark

Steven Salmon · August 17th, 2004, 12:44 PM

Great. I dont know much about the Firestore drive and my only concern would be the worry about my actual content being saved on the drive. Am I right in thinking that you can actually record to DV Tape at the same time the the firestore is saving? Safety is my number one priority.

February 16th, 2004, 09:45 AM	#1
Steven Salmon Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southampton, UK Posts: 47	Mini DV Tape Deck Hello. I am after a little bit of advise. I have been running my video business well for nearly a year. I have two XM2 camera's a sound knowledge of Premiere Pro and a good editing computer. I am now ready to make the big jump. I need some advise on what type of tape deck I could purchase to transfer my footage to my machine. At this moment I use my Matrox RT.X100 Extreme card's scan and capture from one of my XM2's but obviously I am worried that this is not an idea solution and I will kill the heads of my recorder. Also, I dont feel comfortable using a camera to transfer footage. I am looking for the best option but obviously keeping the cost to a realistic level. My workload for 2004 is far greater than I could of imagined so I want to be well prepared. Thank you in advance. Steven

February 16th, 2004, 10:11 AM	#2
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	You might want to consider an external drive for recording your videos. a Quickstream or a Firestore device will cost you about the price of a DV deck but you will never have to capture mini dv tapes again! __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

February 16th, 2004, 01:04 PM	#4
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Edward, on the Panny deck, is the IEEE 1394 device control responsive? I'm slowly looking for a deck too and I'd like one that was quick to stop, play, rewind etc unlike cameras which are veeeeery slow. Cheers Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

June 4th, 2004, 09:15 AM	#10
Ray Echevers Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 148	I too will somewhat soon be looking to get a dv deck or mini dv cam. Will any cheap mini dv camera work well? I'm just worried about quality transfer. I guess it be nice to have a 2nd small camera and use it as deck. I'd get a mini dv deck, but all the ones i've come across are in the $1000 and up range. So should I buy the cheapest Sony MiniDV camera and use it as a deck? If so which one? __________________ Sony VX-1000 G5 1.8 dual 91 Turbo MR2

August 17th, 2004, 09:34 AM	#13
Ray Echevers Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 148	I might eventually but a new lower end sony small mini dv camera. A deck and a vacation/everyday camera/deck in all in one. __________________ Sony VX-1000 G5 1.8 dual 91 Turbo MR2

February 16th, 2004, 10:45 AM	#3
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I have a Panasonic AG-DV2000 that works well. Other choices include the Sony DSR series of decks.

February 16th, 2004, 01:27 PM	#5
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I think it is. However, if you're rewinding to start a batch capture at the 10 minute mark, it will rewind to just after 10 minutes then do a "stop". However, because of the speed of the rewind, it may not get stopped until it hits the 7 minute mark! Batch then just runs it forward to proper spot so all is fine. (Does the same thing when manually pushing the buttons, though - just the nature of fast rewinds/fast forwards) I like the deck. It has performed very well for me. Passthrough to/from firewire from/to analog works great too.

February 16th, 2004, 03:25 PM	#6
Steven Salmon Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southampton, UK Posts: 47	Ah. I did not think of a Quickstream device. Has anybody had much dealings with this piece of hardware. The costs sound reasonable but I worry that it's just another device to go wrong on the big day. Thoughts anyone? Thank you to all your replies so far. Many thanks Steven

February 23rd, 2004, 07:46 PM	#7
Tyler Gred New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19	What are some of the more reasonable decks on the market? I am looking at a JVC SR-VS30U right now. Any thoughts on that? Are there any cheaper?

February 23rd, 2004, 11:43 PM	#8
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Tyler, lots of people report problems with the JVC deck. Most people recommend the Sony DSR-11, and the cheaper Panasonic decks seem to be ok. Sony sells some cheaper mini-DV decks that are small, have a LCD screen, and use camcorder tape mechanisms (apparently not as fast as a real deck). I think you might as well get a cheap camera to use as a deck, hopefully one with analog-digital passthrough (converts analog to DV or back on the fly- may not be necessary).

February 24th, 2004, 08:40 AM	#9
Alan Craven Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: York, England Posts: 518	I have used a Sony Walkman GV-D300 for the past three years and found it excellent for import/export using either a straight firewire port or the Pinnacle DV500. You have full device control from within the software with either. It also works well with Scenalyzer. That model has no screen and is no longer available. its replacement is the GV-D1000 (I think) and this has a small TFT screen.

August 16th, 2004, 09:27 AM	#11
Bob Safay Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,558	I have had both the Panni dv2000 and the dv1000. I have had them both for years and have NEVER had a problem with either one. Bob

August 17th, 2004, 11:59 AM	#14
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Stephen, I am using a cheap $327 panasonic S9 camera as my playback deck. Been doing to for about 6 weeks now and have run about 30 hours of tape thru it. However, if I had known that Firestore was coming out with a reasonably priced portable drive I would have opted for it instead. They have a GREAT reputation. Stay away from the Quickstream. I have been following this product for about a year and almost bought one. But discovered many users report nothing but problems. Regards, Mark

August 17th, 2004, 12:44 PM	#15
Steven Salmon Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southampton, UK Posts: 47	Great. I dont know much about the Firestore drive and my only concern would be the worry about my actual content being saved on the drive. Am I right in thinking that you can actually record to DV Tape at the same time the the firestore is saving? Safety is my number one priority.