how do i get vegas and premiere to pick up quicktime 6 codecs? at DVinfo.net

Patrick Falls · January 11th, 2004, 09:04 AM

if i want to render my files from vegas or premiere using a quicktime codec and it isn't showing up in my options list, how do i point it to those codecs?

Rob Lohman · January 11th, 2004, 09:31 AM

I think Vegas is only seeing the QuickTime 5 compatible stuff
(or that's what I concluded a while back), not 100% sure on
that though. Can you describe what you are doing exactly
when exporting?

Patrick Falls · January 11th, 2004, 09:45 AM

i'm capturing in vegas because i love the ease of use over premiere. i do all of my straight cuts as well as synching my audio in vegas. when rendered the audio isn't synched so i have to open the video file in premiere. since it's already synched to the music i just drop the audio in the time line and it renders out perfect. i don't know why it doesn't render synched in vegas. i then want to take it to after effects for processing. once i'm finished i need to take it into premiere so i can render it for cleaner and after cleaner i want to send it to ulead movie factory for dvd authoring.

i need a codec that can give me the highest quality throughout a five to six generation transfer. i read about the codecs in other programs that are excellent as well as cutting down on size. the one particular program that has such codecs is quicktime pro 6. i have it but i don't see it's codecs in vegas, premiere or after effects. i really need it in vegas, after effects and premiere i can save as targa. i appologize if i am not being clear.

Patrick Falls · January 11th, 2004, 09:49 AM

ok, what i did was i selected quicktime 5 mov. then i went into the advanced tab and found the version 6 codecs. thanks for your help. now if i can only figure this synch problem within vegas.

if i select progressive scan will that dienterlace my footage? if so will it be better to wait until i take it to after effects for this?

Josh Bass · January 12th, 2004, 02:18 AM

Help me out guys: where is this so called advanced tab? Do you need the QT6 codecs to encode in MPEG-4?

Edward Troxel · January 12th, 2004, 08:25 AM

First of all, verify you have the AUTHORING components of quicktime installed. It does NOT require the PRO version but DOES require that you do a custom installation.

Next, go to File - Render As, pick MOV as the file type, and then click on Custom. You should be able to configure everything from there.

Josh Bass · January 12th, 2004, 09:35 AM

I think I found it. . it's under the "video format" box under the video tab once you to to custom template, right? And you just select MPEG4 video? What are some recommended settings to keep the file size down while still maintaining quality?

Patrick Falls · January 12th, 2004, 09:55 AM

i apologize josh for using the word advanced tab when indeed it is custom tab. i understand that you want to know more about mpeg 4 but i have not any knowlege in these areas as of yet. but i found this article to be a very interesting read. i got the link from somewhere else on this site but i forgot which forum.

http://codecs.onerivermedia.com/

Josh Bass · January 12th, 2004, 02:23 PM

Alright, thanks. I'll look at it and do some tests later tonight.

Don Donatello · January 12th, 2004, 04:43 PM

"i then want to take it to after effects for processing. once i'm finished i need to take it into premiere ...
i need a codec that can give me the highest quality throughout a five to six generation transfer"

that codec is not microsofts dv codec ...

IMO render out of Vegas as QT default template, CUSTOM -video format NONE ( this is uncompressed 30mgs) or choose animation ( 12-15mgs) at 100% both are lossless 4:4:4 color space.

work in AE .. render out of AE again uncompressed .. take into premiere , don't know if premiere can play back uncompressed at 29.97 RT ?? if it can then finish your edit .if it can't then you might have to render using a dv codec before you edit in premiere) .. again take uncompressed into cleaner ( if it can handle it ) ...
make your DVD etc ... this way there is only ONE uncompression ( decoding the dv 5-1 compression) and it is not compressed again till the end ...

if you intend to work like this then i suggest you look at microcosm codec - it is a lossless 4:4:4:4 and works with QT approx 5-7mgs files.

for info on codec 's

http://codecs.onerivermedia.com/

you'll find microcosm under 4:4:4 codec's

Rob Lohman · January 13th, 2004, 08:30 AM

Just as a basic note, you can do both MPEG4 with AVI as well
as QuickTime.

Keep in mind that MP3 audio in an AVI file as well as other forms
of MPEG audio might not synch to well indeed. DV audio should
synch perfectly Patrick. So can you tell us a bit more about your
source and what format it is in (the one you edit in Vegas)?

Patrick Falls · January 13th, 2004, 11:09 AM

with everyones help i'm getting closer to what i need. Rob I think what you said hit my situation dead on. i went in and converted the audio to ac3 and when i burned it to dvd it was synched back up.

thanks Don, is microcosm better than quicktimes lossless options. i read the page and quicktime 6 pro seems to be the more glorified. i have quicktime pro 6 and i hate to fork over more dinero if it won't make a significant difference from qtpro 6's codecs. this forum is the best. thanks for all of your help.

Don Donatello · January 13th, 2004, 03:30 PM

"is microcosm better than quicktimes lossless options"

they are the same except file size !
30mgs VS 7mgs
microcosom is QT based ... so you choose to render as QT then select microcosm as the codec

in Vegas
QT default-custom-video ,format =none (uncompressed) 30mgs

QT default-custom-video, format =microcosm 6-7mgs

Patrick Falls · January 13th, 2004, 09:03 PM

right on Don. i appreciate the info.

January 11th, 2004, 09:04 AM	#1
Patrick Falls Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Augusta georgia 15min. from Aiken S.Carolina and 2 hours from Atlanta Posts: 105	how do i get vegas and premiere to pick up quicktime 6 codecs? if i want to render my files from vegas or premiere using a quicktime codec and it isn't showing up in my options list, how do i point it to those codecs?

January 11th, 2004, 09:31 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I think Vegas is only seeing the QuickTime 5 compatible stuff (or that's what I concluded a while back), not 100% sure on that though. Can you describe what you are doing exactly when exporting? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 11th, 2004, 09:45 AM	#3
Patrick Falls Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Augusta georgia 15min. from Aiken S.Carolina and 2 hours from Atlanta Posts: 105	ok i'm capturing in vegas because i love the ease of use over premiere. i do all of my straight cuts as well as synching my audio in vegas. when rendered the audio isn't synched so i have to open the video file in premiere. since it's already synched to the music i just drop the audio in the time line and it renders out perfect. i don't know why it doesn't render synched in vegas. i then want to take it to after effects for processing. once i'm finished i need to take it into premiere so i can render it for cleaner and after cleaner i want to send it to ulead movie factory for dvd authoring. i need a codec that can give me the highest quality throughout a five to six generation transfer. i read about the codecs in other programs that are excellent as well as cutting down on size. the one particular program that has such codecs is quicktime pro 6. i have it but i don't see it's codecs in vegas, premiere or after effects. i really need it in vegas, after effects and premiere i can save as targa. i appologize if i am not being clear.

January 11th, 2004, 09:49 AM	#4
Patrick Falls Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Augusta georgia 15min. from Aiken S.Carolina and 2 hours from Atlanta Posts: 105	i got it ok, what i did was i selected quicktime 5 mov. then i went into the advanced tab and found the version 6 codecs. thanks for your help. now if i can only figure this synch problem within vegas. if i select progressive scan will that dienterlace my footage? if so will it be better to wait until i take it to after effects for this?

January 12th, 2004, 02:18 AM	#5
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Help me out guys: where is this so called advanced tab? Do you need the QT6 codecs to encode in MPEG-4? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 12th, 2004, 08:25 AM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	First of all, verify you have the AUTHORING components of quicktime installed. It does NOT require the PRO version but DOES require that you do a custom installation. Next, go to File - Render As, pick MOV as the file type, and then click on Custom. You should be able to configure everything from there.

January 12th, 2004, 09:35 AM	#7
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I think I found it. . it's under the "video format" box under the video tab once you to to custom template, right? And you just select MPEG4 video? What are some recommended settings to keep the file size down while still maintaining quality? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 12th, 2004, 09:55 AM	#8
Patrick Falls Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Augusta georgia 15min. from Aiken S.Carolina and 2 hours from Atlanta Posts: 105	thanks everyone i apologize josh for using the word advanced tab when indeed it is custom tab. i understand that you want to know more about mpeg 4 but i have not any knowlege in these areas as of yet. but i found this article to be a very interesting read. i got the link from somewhere else on this site but i forgot which forum. http://codecs.onerivermedia.com/

January 12th, 2004, 02:23 PM	#9
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Alright, thanks. I'll look at it and do some tests later tonight. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 12th, 2004, 04:43 PM	#10
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	"i then want to take it to after effects for processing. once i'm finished i need to take it into premiere ... i need a codec that can give me the highest quality throughout a five to six generation transfer" that codec is not microsofts dv codec ... IMO render out of Vegas as QT default template, CUSTOM -video format NONE ( this is uncompressed 30mgs) or choose animation ( 12-15mgs) at 100% both are lossless 4:4:4 color space. work in AE .. render out of AE again uncompressed .. take into premiere , don't know if premiere can play back uncompressed at 29.97 RT ?? if it can then finish your edit .if it can't then you might have to render using a dv codec before you edit in premiere) .. again take uncompressed into cleaner ( if it can handle it ) ... make your DVD etc ... this way there is only ONE uncompression ( decoding the dv 5-1 compression) and it is not compressed again till the end ... if you intend to work like this then i suggest you look at microcosm codec - it is a lossless 4:4:4:4 and works with QT approx 5-7mgs files. for info on codec 's http://codecs.onerivermedia.com/ you'll find microcosm under 4:4:4 codec's

January 13th, 2004, 08:30 AM	#11
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Just as a basic note, you can do both MPEG4 with AVI as well as QuickTime. Keep in mind that MP3 audio in an AVI file as well as other forms of MPEG audio might not synch to well indeed. DV audio should synch perfectly Patrick. So can you tell us a bit more about your source and what format it is in (the one you edit in Vegas)? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 13th, 2004, 11:09 AM	#12
Patrick Falls Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Augusta georgia 15min. from Aiken S.Carolina and 2 hours from Atlanta Posts: 105	ok with everyones help i'm getting closer to what i need. Rob I think what you said hit my situation dead on. i went in and converted the audio to ac3 and when i burned it to dvd it was synched back up. thanks Don, is microcosm better than quicktimes lossless options. i read the page and quicktime 6 pro seems to be the more glorified. i have quicktime pro 6 and i hate to fork over more dinero if it won't make a significant difference from qtpro 6's codecs. this forum is the best. thanks for all of your help.

January 13th, 2004, 03:30 PM	#13
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	"is microcosm better than quicktimes lossless options" they are the same except file size ! 30mgs VS 7mgs microcosom is QT based ... so you choose to render as QT then select microcosm as the codec in Vegas QT default-custom-video ,format =none (uncompressed) 30mgs QT default-custom-video, format =microcosm 6-7mgs

January 13th, 2004, 09:03 PM	#14
Patrick Falls Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Augusta georgia 15min. from Aiken S.Carolina and 2 hours from Atlanta Posts: 105	cool right on Don. i appreciate the info.