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Brit Mansell · March 14th, 2009, 05:30 AM

I'm trying to spec out a new video editing system.

I capture HD from a Xh-A1 and a few HV30's and work solely in Adobe CS4.

Currently, I'm on an AMD Quad Core 2 Quad (Q6600) with 4GB on Vista 64. This doesn't seem to be getting the job done once I lay several pieces of video on top of each other in an Adobe Premiere timeline. It also crawls to a halt when I open a DVD composition in Encore. In this profession, time is money and my current configuration is not helping.

According to PassMark (PassMark Intel vs AMD CPU Benchmarks - High End), the server processors are still turning many more cycles than the best desktop processors, but I don't know enough about the differences to know if the server processors will work well with Adobe CS4. I'm hoping you guys can shed some light on that. I want to edit and render on the same machine.

Here is the desktop system I'm looking at building: NewEgg Link

David Chilson · March 18th, 2009, 07:19 AM

Brit,

A few things about your picks. I too went with an SSD for a systems drive but used the OCZ vertex 250 GB drive. 128 might be too small, check your current used disc space and see that it will be enough.

The 1.5TB single drive you have listed I am assuming you are going to use as a scratch drive for media. This could be a weak link in your system. You will lose a lot of the speed of the SSD by not using a raid. I checked your motherboard choice and it does support raid 0 and that is what I would suggest. Two 500 GB drives in raid 0 would be a much better choice and if you want an even faster raid, get two 300 GB 10K velociraptor drives, that combo screams and makes the best use of the SSD without going to a two SSD raid 0. Now that would be interesting.......

Quite a few people use 1TB or more in their raid, but having important information on there long term should be a no no. Raid is fast but not the most secure for long term storage. Personally, after I complete a project I back it up on another drive (I use a Thermaltake Black X that has sata and usb ports, and store the drives in iStar drawers, Newegg Item# N82E16817991004,) and burn a master on Blu ray. Now I have three copies (including the original tape) and have freed up the room on my raid.

I would go from six to twelve GB on memory, and buy a 12 GB kit not two sixes. Check my recent posts, we have discussed that in length.

If you need to save a little cash to help offset these changes, go with the 940 I7. There are a lot of forums where this has been easily overclocked to standard 965 speeds. Spending your money on the raid and updated memory would make for a better editing experience, IMHO.

As far as server vs desktop processors, I don't know enough to comment.

Hope this helps

Brit Mansell · March 18th, 2009, 07:54 AM

David, thank you very much for the detailed reply. I appreciate it greatly.

I'm going to read over your suggestions for a little while and post back any questions.

I chose the 128GB SSD because I do most of my design work on a Sony VAIO Z laptop (http://britmansell.com/productivity/...ove-thee/)that has a 128GB SSD drive. It's perfect for that, but I hadn't thought about the scratch discs running on the SSD. I'm sure that would be a huge benefit.

I agree with your RAID comments. I do have an external 1TB drive to which I backup all completed projects, so storage is not a big issue, and buying more TB drives at the current prices is not a problem. I'm going to pass on the Velicoraptor drives, though. Too pricey for my budget, but you're right, they would be great, I'm sure.

I haven't seen the HD drawers you referenced. That's very cool. I may have to do that when I exceed the one external drive.

I will probably update my NewEgg wish list with your suggestions and post it back for feedback.

Thanks again.

Brit Mansell · March 18th, 2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Chilson

I would go from six to twelve GB on memory, and buy a 12 GB kit not two sixes. Check my recent posts, we have discussed that in length.

David, I didn't see where you mentioned actually buying the 12GB memory kit. Did you find a good place to buy it? Most of the places I see it listed are out of stock or shady looking.

David Chilson · March 18th, 2009, 01:28 PM

Brit,

The 12 GB 1333 kit is available now at newegg:

Newegg.com - CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory - Desktop Memory

I talked with Corsair on the 1600 kit and they said it will be available any day, two days ago, which is the one I am waiting for. I'm on the waiting list at two places. If you want the 1600 I would be glad to give you a heads up when it becomes available. Right after I get mine of course! :) (It's about $100 bucks more.)

Dave

Brit Mansell · March 18th, 2009, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Chilson

I would be glad to give you a heads up when it becomes available.

Absolutely. Thanks.

Jim Bigg · March 18th, 2009, 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=David Chilson;1029616]Brit,

.... You will lose a lot of the speed of the SSD by not using a raid. I checked your motherboard choice and it does support raid 0 and that is what I would suggest. Two 500 GB drives in raid 0 would be a much better choice and if you want an even faster raid, get two 300 GB 10K velociraptor drives, that combo screams and makes the best use of the SSD without going to a two SSD raid 0. Now that would be interesting.......

David,

I read your comment wsith interest. I am currently trying to configure a desktop for use primarily to edit avchd footage from a Sony sr 8. I would like to burn BluRay with menus eventually, just as I have done with SD work.

I am unclear on where software belongs in a 3 drive set-up. I am thinking of a 1 Tb 7200 for my system drive and a raid 0 arrangement using 2 128 gig ssd's. Where would the NLE and uthoring softwazre be placed and how do I effectively use such a set up?

Jim Bigg

Jim Bigg · March 18th, 2009, 03:06 PM

Here's what I'm thinking of building. I've changed my system drive pick since last post. I would appreciate everyone's comments and suggestions. Main use = AVCHD editing and then rendering to BluRay or avchd on DL . . .

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-965 Extreme Edition 3.2 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366

MOTHERBOARD: EVGA X58 3X SLI Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 SATA RAID w/ eSATA, Dual GbLAN, USB2.0, Dual IEEE1394& 7.1Audio

MEMORY: 12GB (2GBx6) DDR3/1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Module

VIDEO CARD: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB DDR5 PCI-Express Dual DVI-I & TVO

HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (150GB Gaming Western Digital VelociRaptor 10, 000RPM SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache WD1500HLFS)

DATA HARD DRIVE: Extreme Performance (RAID-0) with 2 Identical Hard Drives (256GB (128GBx2) Ritek RiDATA 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC Solid State Disk HARD DRIVE COOLING

Optical Drive: LG GGW-H20L 6X INTERNAL SUPER MULTI BLUE BLU-RAY DISC REWRITER & HD DVD-ROM DRIVE

Optical Drive 2: LG GGC-H20L BLU-RAY/HD-DVD Reader / DVD±R/±RW Writer (Black Color)

SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium w/ Service Pack 1 (64-bit Edition)

Brit Mansell · March 18th, 2009, 03:27 PM

How much does the video card come into play for video production? I always assumed a high end video card was mostly for gaming.

I chose this one (Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards) mainly because I saw it recommended on another build up.

Jim, I see where you're using a 2GB video card. Is that much video memory necessary or are you just making sure it doesn't become a bottle neck?

Ken Steadman · March 18th, 2009, 04:32 PM

Brit -
I built a similar system in January with a 4850X2 2GB and I wish I had spent the money on a Nvidia instead seems more NLEs play nice with nvidia than ATIs

Brit Mansell · March 19th, 2009, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Steadman

Brit -
I built a similar system in January with a 4850X2 2GB and I wish I had spent the money on a Nvidia instead seems more NLEs play nice with nvidia than ATIs

That's good to know. Thanks, Ken.

Jim Bigg · March 19th, 2009, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brit Mansell

Jim, I see where you're using a 2GB video card. Is that much video memory necessary or are you just making sure it doesn't become a bottle neck?

Brit

I'm buying the vid card mem hoping the software folks (NLEs) will grow into the hardware in the future. After further research, I'm wondering if the NVIDIA gtx 295 might be better. Some NLE's say they are programmed to use nividia, others ati. It's all very blurred. No straight answers from any source so far.

Jim

Brit Mansell · March 19th, 2009, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bigg

Brit

I'm buying the vid card mem hoping the software folks (NLEs) will grow into the hardware in the future. After further research, I'm wondering if the NVIDIA gtx 295 might be better. Some NLE's say they are programmed to use nividia, others ati. It's all very blurred. No straight answers from any source so far.

Jim

Wow, that's a nice looking card. Pricey, but nice. Thanks.

Jim Bigg · March 19th, 2009, 07:48 AM

Brit -

I also want dual monitor support. ATI had 2 DVI and with dongle can also deliver hdmi playback to 1080 tv/monitor

Jim

Brit Mansell · March 19th, 2009, 07:56 AM

This looks like a decent price on the GTX 295: SuperBiiz.com - MSI nVidia GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 2DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Video Card. It also has dual DVI and HDMI.

Man, that thing is huge.

March 14th, 2009, 05:30 AM	#1
Brit Mansell New Boot Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 23	Core i7 vs. Server CPU I'm trying to spec out a new video editing system. I capture HD from a Xh-A1 and a few HV30's and work solely in Adobe CS4. Currently, I'm on an AMD Quad Core 2 Quad (Q6600) with 4GB on Vista 64. This doesn't seem to be getting the job done once I lay several pieces of video on top of each other in an Adobe Premiere timeline. It also crawls to a halt when I open a DVD composition in Encore. In this profession, time is money and my current configuration is not helping. According to PassMark (PassMark Intel vs AMD CPU Benchmarks - High End), the server processors are still turning many more cycles than the best desktop processors, but I don't know enough about the differences to know if the server processors will work well with Adobe CS4. I'm hoping you guys can shed some light on that. I want to edit and render on the same machine. Here is the desktop system I'm looking at building: NewEgg Link

March 18th, 2009, 07:54 AM	#3
Brit Mansell New Boot Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 23	David, thank you very much for the detailed reply. I appreciate it greatly. I'm going to read over your suggestions for a little while and post back any questions. I chose the 128GB SSD because I do most of my design work on a Sony VAIO Z laptop (http://britmansell.com/productivity/...ove-thee/)that has a 128GB SSD drive. It's perfect for that, but I hadn't thought about the scratch discs running on the SSD. I'm sure that would be a huge benefit. I agree with your RAID comments. I do have an external 1TB drive to which I backup all completed projects, so storage is not a big issue, and buying more TB drives at the current prices is not a problem. I'm going to pass on the Velicoraptor drives, though. Too pricey for my budget, but you're right, they would be great, I'm sure. I haven't seen the HD drawers you referenced. That's very cool. I may have to do that when I exceed the one external drive. I will probably update my NewEgg wish list with your suggestions and post it back for feedback. Thanks again. Last edited by Brit Mansell; March 18th, 2009 at 08:44 AM.

March 18th, 2009, 02:48 PM	#7
Jim Bigg New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Amelia Island, Florida Posts: 23	system and scratch drives [QUOTE=David Chilson;1029616]Brit, .... You will lose a lot of the speed of the SSD by not using a raid. I checked your motherboard choice and it does support raid 0 and that is what I would suggest. Two 500 GB drives in raid 0 would be a much better choice and if you want an even faster raid, get two 300 GB 10K velociraptor drives, that combo screams and makes the best use of the SSD without going to a two SSD raid 0. Now that would be interesting....... David, I read your comment wsith interest. I am currently trying to configure a desktop for use primarily to edit avchd footage from a Sony sr 8. I would like to burn BluRay with menus eventually, just as I have done with SD work. I am unclear on where software belongs in a 3 drive set-up. I am thinking of a 1 Tb 7200 for my system drive and a raid 0 arrangement using 2 128 gig ssd's. Where would the NLE and uthoring softwazre be placed and how do I effectively use such a set up? Jim Bigg

March 18th, 2009, 03:06 PM	#8
Jim Bigg New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Amelia Island, Florida Posts: 23	comments please Here's what I'm thinking of building. I've changed my system drive pick since last post. I would appreciate everyone's comments and suggestions. Main use = AVCHD editing and then rendering to BluRay or avchd on DL . . . CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-965 Extreme Edition 3.2 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366 MOTHERBOARD: EVGA X58 3X SLI Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 SATA RAID w/ eSATA, Dual GbLAN, USB2.0, Dual IEEE1394& 7.1Audio MEMORY: 12GB (2GBx6) DDR3/1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Module VIDEO CARD: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB DDR5 PCI-Express Dual DVI-I & TVO HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (150GB Gaming Western Digital VelociRaptor 10, 000RPM SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache WD1500HLFS) DATA HARD DRIVE: Extreme Performance (RAID-0) with 2 Identical Hard Drives (256GB (128GBx2) Ritek RiDATA 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC Solid State Disk HARD DRIVE COOLING Optical Drive: LG GGW-H20L 6X INTERNAL SUPER MULTI BLUE BLU-RAY DISC REWRITER & HD DVD-ROM DRIVE Optical Drive 2: LG GGC-H20L BLU-RAY/HD-DVD Reader / DVD±R/±RW Writer (Black Color) SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium w/ Service Pack 1 (64-bit Edition)

March 18th, 2009, 03:27 PM	#9
Brit Mansell New Boot Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 23	How much does the video card come into play for video production? I always assumed a high end video card was mostly for gaming. I chose this one (Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards) mainly because I saw it recommended on another build up. Jim, I see where you're using a 2GB video card. Is that much video memory necessary or are you just making sure it doesn't become a bottle neck? __________________ Motorsports Web and Video: http://www.OctaneMedia.com Last edited by Brit Mansell; March 19th, 2009 at 04:07 AM.

March 18th, 2009, 07:19 AM	#2
David Chilson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Walworth, NY Posts: 292	Brit, A few things about your picks. I too went with an SSD for a systems drive but used the OCZ vertex 250 GB drive. 128 might be too small, check your current used disc space and see that it will be enough. The 1.5TB single drive you have listed I am assuming you are going to use as a scratch drive for media. This could be a weak link in your system. You will lose a lot of the speed of the SSD by not using a raid. I checked your motherboard choice and it does support raid 0 and that is what I would suggest. Two 500 GB drives in raid 0 would be a much better choice and if you want an even faster raid, get two 300 GB 10K velociraptor drives, that combo screams and makes the best use of the SSD without going to a two SSD raid 0. Now that would be interesting....... Quite a few people use 1TB or more in their raid, but having important information on there long term should be a no no. Raid is fast but not the most secure for long term storage. Personally, after I complete a project I back it up on another drive (I use a Thermaltake Black X that has sata and usb ports, and store the drives in iStar drawers, Newegg Item# N82E16817991004,) and burn a master on Blu ray. Now I have three copies (including the original tape) and have freed up the room on my raid. I would go from six to twelve GB on memory, and buy a 12 GB kit not two sixes. Check my recent posts, we have discussed that in length. If you need to save a little cash to help offset these changes, go with the 940 I7. There are a lot of forums where this has been easily overclocked to standard 965 speeds. Spending your money on the raid and updated memory would make for a better editing experience, IMHO. As far as server vs desktop processors, I don't know enough to comment. Hope this helps

March 18th, 2009, 01:28 PM	#5
David Chilson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Walworth, NY Posts: 292	Brit, The 12 GB 1333 kit is available now at newegg: Newegg.com - CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory - Desktop Memory I talked with Corsair on the 1600 kit and they said it will be available any day, two days ago, which is the one I am waiting for. I'm on the waiting list at two places. If you want the 1600 I would be glad to give you a heads up when it becomes available. Right after I get mine of course! :) (It's about $100 bucks more.) Dave

March 18th, 2009, 04:32 PM	#10
Ken Steadman Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: DC Suburbs Posts: 86	Brit - I built a similar system in January with a 4850X2 2GB and I wish I had spent the money on a Nvidia instead seems more NLEs play nice with nvidia than ATIs

March 19th, 2009, 07:48 AM	#14
Jim Bigg New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Amelia Island, Florida Posts: 23	dual monitor Brit - I also want dual monitor support. ATI had 2 DVI and with dongle can also deliver hdmi playback to 1080 tv/monitor Jim

March 19th, 2009, 07:56 AM	#15
Brit Mansell New Boot Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 23	This looks like a decent price on the GTX 295: SuperBiiz.com - MSI nVidia GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 2DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Video Card. It also has dual DVI and HDMI. Man, that thing is huge. __________________ Motorsports Web and Video: http://www.OctaneMedia.com