Vegas vs. Premiere/AE at DVinfo.net

Larry Feign · September 15th, 2003, 01:36 AM

I've been working in Premiere 6.5 and After Effects 5.5 on PCs and am pretty used to them, though never used them for DV. On this and other DV forums I see numerous references to Vegas, a program I'd never even heard of until now.

Checking the Sonic Foundry web site, Vegas seems to have at first glance a more user-friendly interface than either Adobe application.

What is the great advantage of Vegas over the Adobe apps? Is it a better program for DV editing - for professional projects, that is?

I'm new to DV. As long as I'm emptying my bank account on camera and equipment, would I be off to a better start by getting Vegas also?

Peter Jefferson · September 15th, 2003, 05:34 AM

masking, compositing, true 5.1 surround with metadata extensions, soundforge integration, Keyframable Audio and visual EQs and effects, easy track motions, still image import as video, pre-render facility, scripts, avanced colour correction. Bump mapping, chroma keying yadda yadda yadda
.........all in a matter of seconds ....

put it this way, vegas is a FAST moving application, all in one (apart from s/forge) kit which doesnt require multiple apps to get the results you need.

Premiere is good, no doubt, but it depends on what YOU want tp do and how fast you want to do it

Glenn Chan · September 15th, 2003, 04:38 PM

If Vegas is easier to use for you then I would probably go with it. It's very powerful. Maybe one weak area of it is titling, but you can probably still do decent titles when you know the program better. There are also lots of 3rd party titlers that are good programs.

Federico Dib · September 15th, 2003, 05:49 PM

I´ve worked with Premier and After Effects for a few years now...

Today I just donwloaded a demo of Vegas.. and I think it´s awesome. A little complicated at first... but I just used it for an hour and allready can tell It fits my needs and habits better than the Adobe Combo...

Why not download the demo and give it a shot?

Peter Jefferson · September 16th, 2003, 07:56 AM

i TOTALLY agree with the Titling being weak, however threa re afew good cheap downlaodable apps like Xara which offer some alternatives..

Boris is also coming out which will apparently have an OpenGl title renderer, so you can basically do full 3d animated titles jsut like a computer game intro...
itll also do a load of other stuff, but the price.. well thats another story...

Larry Feign · September 16th, 2003, 08:18 AM

Thanks for the excellent feedback.

I use Flash for titles anyway, if I want cool animated effects. Vegas sounds great. Until now I've been using a combination of Premiere, After Effects and Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition), as well as Flash, and it can get very wearying constantly switching between applications.

Last question, though: how does Vegas handle importing square pixel graphics (such as Flash output) and stretching it for TV pixels? AE is great for this.

Peter Jefferson · September 16th, 2003, 08:31 AM

i have never tried, but download the demo and let us Know!

Michael Wisniewski · September 16th, 2003, 12:34 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Larry Feign : how does Vegas handle importing square pixel graphics (such as Flash output) and stretching it for TV pixels? AE is great for this. -->>>

Vegas isn't picky about importing media, you just have to worry about how you want it to be previewed/output.

Changing the pixel aspect ratio is very easy.
You can change it anytime at the project and individual clip level. The preview will immediately reflect your changes. The choices are Square, NTSC, or PAL with options for widescreen DV and Video CD.

It's also possible to change it on export.

September 15th, 2003, 01:36 AM	#1
Larry Feign Tourist Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 4	Vegas vs. Premiere/AE I've been working in Premiere 6.5 and After Effects 5.5 on PCs and am pretty used to them, though never used them for DV. On this and other DV forums I see numerous references to Vegas, a program I'd never even heard of until now. Checking the Sonic Foundry web site, Vegas seems to have at first glance a more user-friendly interface than either Adobe application. What is the great advantage of Vegas over the Adobe apps? Is it a better program for DV editing - for professional projects, that is? I'm new to DV. As long as I'm emptying my bank account on camera and equipment, would I be off to a better start by getting Vegas also?

September 15th, 2003, 05:49 PM	#4
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	I´ve worked with Premier and After Effects for a few years now... Today I just donwloaded a demo of Vegas.. and I think it´s awesome. A little complicated at first... but I just used it for an hour and allready can tell It fits my needs and habits better than the Adobe Combo... Why not download the demo and give it a shot? __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

September 16th, 2003, 12:34 PM	#8
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	<<<-- Originally posted by Larry Feign : how does Vegas handle importing square pixel graphics (such as Flash output) and stretching it for TV pixels? AE is great for this. -->>> Vegas isn't picky about importing media, you just have to worry about how you want it to be previewed/output. Changing the pixel aspect ratio is very easy. You can change it anytime at the project and individual clip level. The preview will immediately reflect your changes. The choices are Square, NTSC, or PAL with options for widescreen DV and Video CD. It's also possible to change it on export. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

September 15th, 2003, 05:34 AM	#2
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	masking, compositing, true 5.1 surround with metadata extensions, soundforge integration, Keyframable Audio and visual EQs and effects, easy track motions, still image import as video, pre-render facility, scripts, avanced colour correction. Bump mapping, chroma keying yadda yadda yadda .........all in a matter of seconds .... put it this way, vegas is a FAST moving application, all in one (apart from s/forge) kit which doesnt require multiple apps to get the results you need. Premiere is good, no doubt, but it depends on what YOU want tp do and how fast you want to do it

September 15th, 2003, 04:38 PM	#3
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	If Vegas is easier to use for you then I would probably go with it. It's very powerful. Maybe one weak area of it is titling, but you can probably still do decent titles when you know the program better. There are also lots of 3rd party titlers that are good programs.

September 16th, 2003, 07:56 AM	#5
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	i TOTALLY agree with the Titling being weak, however threa re afew good cheap downlaodable apps like Xara which offer some alternatives.. Boris is also coming out which will apparently have an OpenGl title renderer, so you can basically do full 3d animated titles jsut like a computer game intro... itll also do a load of other stuff, but the price.. well thats another story...

September 16th, 2003, 08:18 AM	#6
Larry Feign Tourist Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 4	Thanks for the excellent feedback. I use Flash for titles anyway, if I want cool animated effects. Vegas sounds great. Until now I've been using a combination of Premiere, After Effects and Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition), as well as Flash, and it can get very wearying constantly switching between applications. Last question, though: how does Vegas handle importing square pixel graphics (such as Flash output) and stretching it for TV pixels? AE is great for this.

September 16th, 2003, 08:31 AM	#7
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	i have never tried, but download the demo and let us Know!