Which NLE recognizes 16:9 format at DVinfo.net

Samuel Raj · August 18th, 2003, 11:55 PM

I heard Vegas, Adobe Premier, FCP recognizes 16:9 format
i.e you can directly download using firwire, it appropriately captures as 16:9.(If it is taken as 16:9)

I tried with the cheaper MGWAVE etc, it just takes 16:9 as ordinary 4:3
Any cheaper NLE which does these?

Samuel Raj · August 18th, 2003, 11:57 PM

Movie Maker 2 for Windows xp recognizes 16:9?

Thanks

Patricia Kim · August 19th, 2003, 01:21 AM

Okay, Samuel, now I'm out of my Mac area completely, but if you do a google search for MovieMaker2, you will find a pdf file you can download which indicates you can indeed capture 16:9 in MM2. (Tried to send you the file via e-mail, but you're not listed for e-mail in this forum.) Good luck.

Aylwin Cal · August 19th, 2003, 06:37 AM

I recently bought VideoFactory 2.0 which is the younger brother of Vegas (much cheaper too). It's excellent but it's no longer available. Good news is that it's being replaced by Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0. I'm eagerly waiting for this upgrade.

Samuel Raj · August 19th, 2003, 10:41 AM

Thanks Patricia, and Aylwin.

I will have a look at the pdf file you mentioned, Patricia.

Samuel Raj · August 19th, 2003, 08:09 PM

Patricia,
I am not able to find the link for the pdf file.
Can you post here or send me directly to contact1233@yahoo

Boyd Ostroff · August 19th, 2003, 08:14 PM

I'm also on the mac, but I work a lot in 16:9. I think the only real issue is whether the 16:9 will display in the proper aspect ratio on your computer monitor. The actual footage is just standard DV at 720x480 pixels. You can edit it with any software you like, but it might look "squashed" the the NLE doesn't understand 16:9. However when you play it back on a widescreen TV it should still stretch out properly.

Having said that, I know that Premiere can handle it properly, and I'll bet that most modern software can do so as well.

Rob Lohman · August 20th, 2003, 10:10 AM

You can ALWAYS CAPTURE 16:9, why? Because the DV capture
utilities are simply transferring a digital stream from your camera
to your harddisk (and optionally adding a placeholder format
like AVI or QuickTime around it). Whether your NLE can DISPLAY
it properly and understands 16:9 is a different story.

As far as I know almost every NLE supports it in one way or
another.

Samuel Raj · August 20th, 2003, 06:00 PM

Yes, I know it captures 16:9, But if the NLE doesnt recognizes, its difficult to edit on the footage. if you cut or modify, you wont get the actual pixels...

And all theimages seem to be squashed. you cant add your own black bar or, whatever we do with that squashed stuff, is not accurate.

thats why NLE which recognizes 16:9 gives real idea of what we are doing.

Boyd Ostroff · August 20th, 2003, 06:05 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Samuel Raj : if you cut or modify, you wont get the actual pixels-->>>

I agree it's better to use a 16:9 aware program, but the actual pixels are just 720 x 480, the same as regular DV. It gets stretched when viewed on a 16:9 monitor or TV. 16:9 footage does not have any more pixels than 4:3 footage.

Samuel Raj · August 20th, 2003, 10:37 PM

Thanks Boyd,
Do you know what algorithm or technique 16:9 tv uses to expand those squashed footage to make it 16:9

Panasonic GS 100 covers more area in 16:9 than any other cam. the resultant magnifcation is just 1.04. Other cams does at the cost of resolution, like cutting some resolution and enlarging to 1.3 to whatever size.

Do you any other cam which just give as original size?

Rob Lohman · August 21st, 2003, 06:42 AM

Yes, just resample the video from 720x480 to 872x480. That
should do the trick.

But I'm curious to know which NLE you are using. As said, most
support plain 16:9 editing (as said earlier Premier & Vegas both
support it). With most packages you can also add 16:9 footage
to a 4:3 project and it will automatically create black bars for you.

If you were just out to get black bars it might be better to shoot
in 4:3 and add the bars in post.

August 18th, 2003, 11:55 PM	#1
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Which NLE recognizes 16:9 format I heard Vegas, Adobe Premier, FCP recognizes 16:9 format i.e you can directly download using firwire, it appropriately captures as 16:9.(If it is taken as 16:9) I tried with the cheaper MGWAVE etc, it just takes 16:9 as ordinary 4:3 Any cheaper NLE which does these?

August 20th, 2003, 10:10 AM	#8
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	You can ALWAYS CAPTURE 16:9, why? Because the DV capture utilities are simply transferring a digital stream from your camera to your harddisk (and optionally adding a placeholder format like AVI or QuickTime around it). Whether your NLE can DISPLAY it properly and understands 16:9 is a different story. As far as I know almost every NLE supports it in one way or another. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 21st, 2003, 06:42 AM	#12
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Yes, just resample the video from 720x480 to 872x480. That should do the trick. But I'm curious to know which NLE you are using. As said, most support plain 16:9 editing (as said earlier Premier & Vegas both support it). With most packages you can also add 16:9 footage to a 4:3 project and it will automatically create black bars for you. If you were just out to get black bars it might be better to shoot in 4:3 and add the bars in post. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 18th, 2003, 11:57 PM	#2
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Movie Maker 2 for Windows xp recognizes 16:9? Thanks

August 19th, 2003, 01:21 AM	#3
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	Okay, Samuel, now I'm out of my Mac area completely, but if you do a google search for MovieMaker2, you will find a pdf file you can download which indicates you can indeed capture 16:9 in MM2. (Tried to send you the file via e-mail, but you're not listed for e-mail in this forum.) Good luck.

August 19th, 2003, 06:37 AM	#4
Aylwin Cal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 38	I recently bought VideoFactory 2.0 which is the younger brother of Vegas (much cheaper too). It's excellent but it's no longer available. Good news is that it's being replaced by Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0. I'm eagerly waiting for this upgrade.

August 19th, 2003, 10:41 AM	#5
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Thanks Patricia, and Aylwin. I will have a look at the pdf file you mentioned, Patricia.

August 19th, 2003, 08:09 PM	#6
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Patricia, I am not able to find the link for the pdf file. Can you post here or send me directly to contact1233@yahoo

August 19th, 2003, 08:14 PM	#7
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	I'm also on the mac, but I work a lot in 16:9. I think the only real issue is whether the 16:9 will display in the proper aspect ratio on your computer monitor. The actual footage is just standard DV at 720x480 pixels. You can edit it with any software you like, but it might look "squashed" the the NLE doesn't understand 16:9. However when you play it back on a widescreen TV it should still stretch out properly. Having said that, I know that Premiere can handle it properly, and I'll bet that most modern software can do so as well.

August 20th, 2003, 06:00 PM	#9
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Yes, I know it captures 16:9, But if the NLE doesnt recognizes, its difficult to edit on the footage. if you cut or modify, you wont get the actual pixels... And all theimages seem to be squashed. you cant add your own black bar or, whatever we do with that squashed stuff, is not accurate. thats why NLE which recognizes 16:9 gives real idea of what we are doing.

August 20th, 2003, 06:05 PM	#10
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	<<<-- Originally posted by Samuel Raj : if you cut or modify, you wont get the actual pixels-->>> I agree it's better to use a 16:9 aware program, but the actual pixels are just 720 x 480, the same as regular DV. It gets stretched when viewed on a 16:9 monitor or TV. 16:9 footage does not have any more pixels than 4:3 footage.

August 20th, 2003, 10:37 PM	#11
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Thanks Boyd, Do you know what algorithm or technique 16:9 tv uses to expand those squashed footage to make it 16:9 Panasonic GS 100 covers more area in 16:9 than any other cam. the resultant magnifcation is just 1.04. Other cams does at the cost of resolution, like cutting some resolution and enlarging to 1.3 to whatever size. Do you any other cam which just give as original size?