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Joshua Badour · July 30th, 2003, 07:43 PM

Where is my firewire port located?

I have a hewlett packard, windows 2000. What symbol will it be? Does anyone know?

Oh boy... bad night :/

Gints Klimanis · July 30th, 2003, 07:50 PM

Joshua,

Which Hewlett Packard ? If you have Windows2000, I'm guessing that you have a computer that's a few years old. In any case, most PCs don't have Firewire ports. You have to go out and buy a Firewire port card. Some video editing packages, such as Pinnacle Studio DV, are a Firewire card + video editing software.

Gints Klimanis · July 30th, 2003, 07:57 PM

Also, you'll need a 4-pin to 6-pin Firewire cable with different connectors on each end. The small side is for your camcorder.
The Firewire PC cards I've seen only have 6-pinb connectors.

Joshua Badour · July 30th, 2003, 09:21 PM

Ok...

How much would a firewire port card cost? What do they do? I have the cable, but whats this card?

Graham Bernard · July 31st, 2003, 01:56 AM

Joshua, I've put together some "light" reading for you . . . if you know this already then apologies. But, you asking what the card does made me think that maybe, as I did some 2 years ago, I needed some "other" help.

Briefly 1394 is a method of sharing data at very high speeds - includes the protocals; cables; software etc etc. These speeds are in excess of USB1.0 but less than the newer USB2.0. If you notice in pc retailers, there is major switch over to USB2.0. My opinion? I think firewire for PCs will be around for a while to come. But hey what do I know?! - I didn't take crystal ball gazing at college - took other stuff, but not this. Maybe I should have!!!

Anyways, Firewire is the trade name Apple named for this 1394 application/convention as used in Apple.

iLink is the Sony name for the same.

Mostly 1394 conventions straddle both Apples and PCs

Firewire cards allow for the data flow in and out of, here, PCs. Additionally, I believe you can get combined cards that will deal with AV>DV conversion - go see Canopus site.

Here are some weblinks for your own 1394 knowledge base

http://www.apple.com/firewire/

http://developer.apple.com/firewire/index.html/

http://www.1394ta.org/Technology/About/TechTalk.htm

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/I/IEEE_1394.html

http://www.dvcentral.org/

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Grazie

Nigel Moore · July 31st, 2003, 03:19 AM

IMO, if you don't already have an edit/capture card but have the edit software, work solely in DV (or can get other footage onto a DV cam), and can live without RT and 'special' effects, you're much better off buying a plain jane OHCI card. My Adaptec FireConnect was a fraction of the price of my previous dedicated capture cards, and has caused a fraction of the system conflicts to boot.

Quote:

Briefly 1394 is a method of sharing data at very high speeds ... in excess of USB1.0 but less than the newer USB2.0.

While correct, the speed difference between USB2 and 1394 is marginal (480 vs 400Mbps*). USB2 also allows you to connect twice as many peripherals, but since 1394 allows you to connect 63 anyway, that's just plain silly!

Quote:

there is major switch over to USB2.0

Also true, but more as a replacement for USB1.1 than 1394. USB1.1 components are compatible with USB2, IEEE1394 components aren't.

Incidentally, IEEE1394b ups the ante by providing connection speeds of 800Mbps and is backwards compatible with the earlier standards.
http://www.apple.com/firewire/
http://www.consumerdvreviews.com/new...5012003_01.asp

* These are total bandwidth figures. Available bandwidth will be less, although I understand that Firewire is more efficient so the differential between the two standards will be reduced. By how much, though, I don't know off-hand.

Graham Bernard · July 31st, 2003, 03:33 AM

Nigel, thanks for adding to my list.

Yup - knew the marginal speed bit on 2.0 and FW. Had seen the 1394b stuff mentioned, and now thanks to you I can go see the review, you offered,

Regards,

Grazie

Rob Lohman · July 31st, 2003, 04:41 AM

Laptops also employ 4 pin firewire connections instead of 6, just
so that everybody knows...

Basically a 6 pin firewire connector looks like an USB connector
but one side has rounded edges.

6 pin connector
4 pin connector

Josh Frye · July 31st, 2003, 04:42 AM

My computer has both types of firewire ports. I got two of the big ones on the front, two on the back, as well as 1 of the smaller ones below my USB ports on the back panel. I guess Im lucky. Firewire cards are dirt cheap by the way.

Joshua Badour · July 31st, 2003, 08:06 AM

Ok...

I need a firewire card...

Are there different ones, though? Like, I got to the store, and there were three different firewire cables. (luckily I got the right one)

Thanks for all the the input, guys!

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July 31st, 2003, 04:42 AM	#9
Josh Frye Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Berlin Germany Posts: 46	My computer has both types of firewire ports. I got two of the big ones on the front, two on the back, as well as 1 of the smaller ones below my USB ports on the back panel. I guess Im lucky. Firewire cards are dirt cheap by the way. __________________ Cheers

July 30th, 2003, 07:50 PM	#2
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Joshua, Which Hewlett Packard ? If you have Windows2000, I'm guessing that you have a computer that's a few years old. In any case, most PCs don't have Firewire ports. You have to go out and buy a Firewire port card. Some video editing packages, such as Pinnacle Studio DV, are a Firewire card + video editing software.

July 30th, 2003, 07:57 PM	#3
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Also, you'll need a 4-pin to 6-pin Firewire cable with different connectors on each end. The small side is for your camcorder. The Firewire PC cards I've seen only have 6-pinb connectors.

July 30th, 2003, 09:21 PM	#4
Joshua Badour Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 32	Ok... How much would a firewire port card cost? What do they do? I have the cable, but whats this card?

July 31st, 2003, 01:56 AM	#5
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Joshua, I've put together some "light" reading for you . . . if you know this already then apologies. But, you asking what the card does made me think that maybe, as I did some 2 years ago, I needed some "other" help. Briefly 1394 is a method of sharing data at very high speeds - includes the protocals; cables; software etc etc. These speeds are in excess of USB1.0 but less than the newer USB2.0. If you notice in pc retailers, there is major switch over to USB2.0. My opinion? I think firewire for PCs will be around for a while to come. But hey what do I know?! - I didn't take crystal ball gazing at college - took other stuff, but not this. Maybe I should have!!! Anyways, Firewire is the trade name Apple named for this 1394 application/convention as used in Apple. iLink is the Sony name for the same. Mostly 1394 conventions straddle both Apples and PCs Firewire cards allow for the data flow in and out of, here, PCs. Additionally, I believe you can get combined cards that will deal with AV>DV conversion - go see Canopus site. Here are some weblinks for your own 1394 knowledge base http://www.apple.com/firewire/ http://developer.apple.com/firewire/index.html/ http://www.1394ta.org/Technology/About/TechTalk.htm http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/I/IEEE_1394.html http://www.dvcentral.org/ Hope this helps, Regards, Grazie

July 31st, 2003, 03:33 AM	#7
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Nigel, thanks for adding to my list. Yup - knew the marginal speed bit on 2.0 and FW. Had seen the 1394b stuff mentioned, and now thanks to you I can go see the review, you offered, Regards, Grazie

July 31st, 2003, 08:06 AM	#10
Joshua Badour Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 32	Ok... I need a firewire card... Are there different ones, though? Like, I got to the store, and there were three different firewire cables. (luckily I got the right one) Thanks for all the the input, guys!