Do you have 4 GB of RAM? at DVinfo.net

Robert Knecht Schmidt · May 28th, 2003, 09:47 PM

Does anyone here have 4 GB of RAM in their system? What motherboards are recommended for this capacity?

Are there any OS limitations one should be aware of when installing this much RAM?

Akos Szemenyei · May 28th, 2003, 09:53 PM

I don't, but the OS can only use 3.5GB when you install 4 GB, something with memory addressing.

Dan Holly · May 29th, 2003, 01:33 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Akos Szemenyei : I don't, but the OS can only use 3.5GB when you install 4 GB, something with memory addressing. -->>>

Not if you use NT 4.0 or 2000 advanced server. I could not speak for XP or Win2k since I don't have the need for that much RAM on any of my personal boxes.

I'll post the model numbers of P3 and Xeon dual CPU MB's if you are interested tomorrow from work Robert. Post back if you are going dual. If you are looking for single CPU MB's with that kind of capacity, I could not recommend.

I've also got Windows Server 2003 Release Candidate 2 sitting here at home but have yet to install it.......

Akos Szemenyei · May 29th, 2003, 03:11 AM

Dan, You are right about that, my apologies to Robert. I was thinking from a workstation point of view, but I might have mixed it up with the single CPU motherboards, I think that's where the limit is. But I couldn't find the article I got it from. Feel free to correct me further if necessary.

Brian M. Dickman · May 29th, 2003, 08:45 AM

Here's the official scoop from Microsoft:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/...ae/paemem.mspx

The summary:
2000 Pro and XP home/pro only support up to 4GB (which often ends up reading as about 3.5 gigs). 2000 Advanced Server (not 2k Server) and 2003 server (aka XP server) can support up to 64GB using PAE.

Akos Szemenyei · May 29th, 2003, 09:19 AM

Thanks Brian, I guess I wasn't that wrong then.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · May 29th, 2003, 10:23 AM

Yes, Dan, please post. It would be a dual workstation, but unless you tell me that only the server OS line can handle 4 GB of RAM, the box will just be running a pro version of 2K or XP.

I've just outgrown 1 GB, is all.

Dan Holly · May 29th, 2003, 07:32 PM

I'm running this on 2 servers with P3 1ghz's.
One is running a SQL database that gets hammered 16 hours a day (ad hoc reports during business hours, then canned reports during the night). The other runs our system of record, which gets hammered by 50+ users across 3 branch offices during business hours, then has the sleepy tasks during the night (like backup's etc.)

Supermicro P3TDDE http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/Mo...VIA/P3TDDE.htm

This Xeon board runs our Metaframe server (mac daddy stuff)
I put VV 3.0 on this when I built it to test it out with 16 gig ECC RAM, and let me just say it RULED ! Needless to say it's way overkill, but I had to do it before it got Metaframe on it...hehe

Supermicro P4DP8-G2 http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/Mo...7500/P4DP8.htm

Rob Lohman · May 30th, 2003, 08:16 AM

Robert, I'm interested to hear how you have ran out of 1 GB
of memory and you need 4. That is a lot of memory.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · May 30th, 2003, 11:16 AM

It's real easy when you do compositing work in HD res.

The MBs Dan mentions seem to be a generation or two behind. Are there any 4 GB motherboards that work with the current clock speeds of Pentium 4 chips?

K. Forman · May 30th, 2003, 11:58 AM

I use an Abit KG7 raid. I believe it will work with 4Gig. I am using an AMD chip, but they have a model for the P4s. A little quirky at first, but smooth after you squash some bugs.

Christopher Go · May 30th, 2003, 04:17 PM

I have 2GB of memory and a hard drive dedicated simply as a page file drive (although this isn't really necessary I had an extra, fast 30GB drive lying around). Aside from memory how is your disk subsystem? Perhaps investing in SCSI will help your system's overall speed. Have you benchmarked or used something like Performance Monitor to see how RAM or lack thereof is affecting your system?

Dan Holly · May 30th, 2003, 09:16 PM

Robert, now that you mentioned what you are doing with this setup, I would go Xeon all the way IMO, but here are some other links below for a single Hyperthread setup.

I'm installing this on my editing box tonight and retiring my Abit BD7II-Raid
http://www.directron.com/4pea.html (it only takes 2 gig DDR though)

Gigabyte GA-8KNXP http://www.directron.com/ga8knxp.html

Other giga models: http://www.directron.com/ga8ipe1000.html

http://www.directron.com/ga8ipe1000pro.html

Intel MB's:
http://www.directron.com/d875pbz.html

Abit:
http://www.directron.com/abitic7.html

Robert Knecht Schmidt · May 31st, 2003, 11:06 AM

Is there any place I can get Xeon chips for cheap? (I thought all that old stuff was discontinued.)

Dan Holly · June 1st, 2003, 12:29 AM

Re: "I thought all that old stuff was discontinued"
Far from it, they are still laying down layers as I type.........
I've got dual 1.8's on that Metaframe server I was talking about.

http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/Produc...oryCode=010404

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...iption=&page=2

May 28th, 2003, 09:47 PM	#1
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Do you have 4 GB of RAM? Does anyone here have 4 GB of RAM in their system? What motherboards are recommended for this capacity? Are there any OS limitations one should be aware of when installing this much RAM? __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 29th, 2003, 01:33 AM	#3
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	<<<-- Originally posted by Akos Szemenyei : I don't, but the OS can only use 3.5GB when you install 4 GB, something with memory addressing. -->>> Not if you use NT 4.0 or 2000 advanced server. I could not speak for XP or Win2k since I don't have the need for that much RAM on any of my personal boxes. I'll post the model numbers of P3 and Xeon dual CPU MB's if you are interested tomorrow from work Robert. Post back if you are going dual. If you are looking for single CPU MB's with that kind of capacity, I could not recommend. I've also got Windows Server 2003 Release Candidate 2 sitting here at home but have yet to install it....... __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska

May 29th, 2003, 10:23 AM	#7
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Yes, Dan, please post. It would be a dual workstation, but unless you tell me that only the server OS line can handle 4 GB of RAM, the box will just be running a pro version of 2K or XP. I've just outgrown 1 GB, is all. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 29th, 2003, 07:32 PM	#8
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	#'s I'm running this on 2 servers with P3 1ghz's. One is running a SQL database that gets hammered 16 hours a day (ad hoc reports during business hours, then canned reports during the night). The other runs our system of record, which gets hammered by 50+ users across 3 branch offices during business hours, then has the sleepy tasks during the night (like backup's etc.) Supermicro P3TDDE http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/Mo...VIA/P3TDDE.htm This Xeon board runs our Metaframe server (mac daddy stuff) I put VV 3.0 on this when I built it to test it out with 16 gig ECC RAM, and let me just say it RULED ! Needless to say it's way overkill, but I had to do it before it got Metaframe on it...hehe Supermicro P4DP8-G2 http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/Mo...7500/P4DP8.htm __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska

May 30th, 2003, 08:16 AM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Robert, I'm interested to hear how you have ran out of 1 GB of memory and you need 4. That is a lot of memory. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 28th, 2003, 09:53 PM	#2
Akos Szemenyei Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saitama, Japan Posts: 111	I don't, but the OS can only use 3.5GB when you install 4 GB, something with memory addressing.

May 29th, 2003, 03:11 AM	#4
Akos Szemenyei Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saitama, Japan Posts: 111	Dan, You are right about that, my apologies to Robert. I was thinking from a workstation point of view, but I might have mixed it up with the single CPU motherboards, I think that's where the limit is. But I couldn't find the article I got it from. Feel free to correct me further if necessary.

May 29th, 2003, 08:45 AM	#5
Brian M. Dickman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 148	Here's the official scoop from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/...ae/paemem.mspx The summary: 2000 Pro and XP home/pro only support up to 4GB (which often ends up reading as about 3.5 gigs). 2000 Advanced Server (not 2k Server) and 2003 server (aka XP server) can support up to 64GB using PAE.

May 29th, 2003, 09:19 AM	#6
Akos Szemenyei Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saitama, Japan Posts: 111	Thanks Brian, I guess I wasn't that wrong then.

May 30th, 2003, 11:16 AM	#10
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	It's real easy when you do compositing work in HD res. The MBs Dan mentions seem to be a generation or two behind. Are there any 4 GB motherboards that work with the current clock speeds of Pentium 4 chips? __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 30th, 2003, 11:58 AM	#11
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I use an Abit KG7 raid. I believe it will work with 4Gig. I am using an AMD chip, but they have a model for the P4s. A little quirky at first, but smooth after you squash some bugs.

May 30th, 2003, 04:17 PM	#12
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	I have 2GB of memory and a hard drive dedicated simply as a page file drive (although this isn't really necessary I had an extra, fast 30GB drive lying around). Aside from memory how is your disk subsystem? Perhaps investing in SCSI will help your system's overall speed. Have you benchmarked or used something like Performance Monitor to see how RAM or lack thereof is affecting your system?

May 30th, 2003, 09:16 PM	#13
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	4 gig P4 MB's Robert, now that you mentioned what you are doing with this setup, I would go Xeon all the way IMO, but here are some other links below for a single Hyperthread setup. I'm installing this on my editing box tonight and retiring my Abit BD7II-Raid http://www.directron.com/4pea.html (it only takes 2 gig DDR though) Gigabyte GA-8KNXP http://www.directron.com/ga8knxp.html Other giga models: http://www.directron.com/ga8ipe1000.html http://www.directron.com/ga8ipe1000pro.html Intel MB's: http://www.directron.com/d875pbz.html Abit: http://www.directron.com/abitic7.html __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska

May 31st, 2003, 11:06 AM	#14
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Is there any place I can get Xeon chips for cheap? (I thought all that old stuff was discontinued.) __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 1st, 2003, 12:29 AM	#15
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	Xeon's Re: "I thought all that old stuff was discontinued" Far from it, they are still laying down layers as I type......... I've got dual 1.8's on that Metaframe server I was talking about. http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/Produc...oryCode=010404 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...iption=&page=2 __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska