Nikon D90 has 720p24 over HDMI

Ian Lim · August 27th, 2008, 09:02 AM

It's quite funny, because i'm about to purchase a new camcorder today, then i read about this :)

Check out this Vimeo video: Nikon D90 sample video on Vimeo

Pay attention to the 'auto exposure'. I'm wondering if this can be set to manual.

Anyway, it's an incredible start yet a shocking news for photo and video convergence. When the 1080p version is released, say goodbye to recent camcorders and adapters... *sobbing*

Theodore McNeil · August 27th, 2008, 09:12 AM

Just saw the video, I don't think Red has to worry ... yet. I think it needs a better recording format. But, if the Scarlet is a hit I would be surprised if Nikon jumps on the band wagon.

Rodrigo Gil Medina · August 27th, 2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Theodore McNeil

I think it needs a better recording format.

Getting the video out from the HDMI to cineform can be a solution. That Cineform standalone recorder can be the perfect match for this camera.

Jack Zhang · August 27th, 2008, 09:40 AM

But it's still a shame that public chipsets still cannot injest or produce unencrypted HDMI 1080p.

Evan Donn · August 27th, 2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Yang Wen

Step aside, SCarlett, step aside LETUS, BREVIS.. their offerings have just become obsolete...

I don't think Red has much to worry about yet, but I do think this is the beginning of the end for 35mm lens adapters considering the d90 body is in the same price range and will produce cleaner, sharper images with less fuss than an adapter. I don't see audio as much of an issue here - I'd personally choose shooting dual system sound over messing with a lens adapter.

Bob Diaz · August 27th, 2008, 10:44 AM

Don't get me wrong, the camera looks really good, but as for the video, it looks like it's lacking in the audio. I didn't see any XLR connection for mikes.

All the videos posted are downsized, it would be nice to be able to get a copy of the source file and see it full size. Maybe it's OK, but I don't know if it is or isn't. There could be compression noise...

Still, once it come out it should be interesting to see in action.

Bob Diaz

Jeff Krepner · August 27th, 2008, 10:46 AM

I think it is fair to assume that pretty soon (if not already) the technology will be cheap enough to do 1080P on DSLRs in this price range, no? If so, wouldn't other companies stand to lose a great deal... say Sony, Panasonic, JVC? I'd almost venture to say that Nikon would do this but Canon wouldn't since it could cannibalize sales of their camcorders and HD cams.

Compression, lack of pro audio, and work-flow issues aside--I think this would have to squarely beat any other 720P camcorder in that it shoots with a 35mm sensor size and can use so many wonderfully cheap lenses and cost about a grand.

Yang Wen · August 27th, 2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Evan Donn

I don't think Red has much to worry about yet, but I do think this is the beginning of the end for 35mm lens adapters considering the d90 body is in the same price range and will produce cleaner, sharper images with less fuss than an adapter. I don't see audio as much of an issue here - I'd personally choose shooting dual system sound over messing with a lens adapter.

But I'm thinking.. for someone who's used to shooting videos using the DX format or the FF format(hopefully in the near future).. how can they revert back to shooting 2/3" format with the Scarlett? granted, there are some inherient "advantages" with the larger DOF 2/3" format, but I suspect most of us want narrower DOF.. The audio issues will be worked out with future models, that is a simple thing to implement...

Brian Standing · August 27th, 2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Phillipps

Presumably the limiting factor is the cache memory giving very limited shot duration Steve

Who cares? Hook it up to a NanoFlash or a Cineform Solid and record to your heart's content.

Ray Bell · August 27th, 2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Polster

Things are getting better all the time...

I would expect Canon to be able to make quite a "crossover" camera quite easily.

Full frame with 1080p over HDMI.

Would eliminate the need to 35mm adaptors.

Sound sync, preview and fluid aperature would be the weak areas imho.

Feed it into a XDR and you have preview, sound sync and archive :-)

Jean Daniel Villiers · August 27th, 2008, 12:19 PM

I don't know if anybody has seen the announcement of the Nikon d90 with the film mode. It is a 720p 24fps film mode in mjeg using the apsc format (35 mm film size) on a $ 1000 Nikon digital slr. It is not perfect in some ways but we are getting a 35mm capable (DOF, low light) digital slr image quality with the whole range of Nikon lenses at a fraction of the cost. Many have speculated before that the Digital photo cameras had all the technologies to produce excellent film cameras and I think it is just a start, at least for Nikon who on the contrary of Canon and Sony has no video or movie camera line to cannibalise. I guest this will be implemented in the next iteration of the Nikon professional range aka D4 - D400 with perhaps 1080p capabilities.

I come from the photography world and had always an interest in movie making. I have followed most of the development of the diy camera here and hope that some like the Sumix materialise. Hoping that someday we would get the same imaging possibilities in the movie world compared to what can be done with photography at way below prices. I think it is just a start but very exiting one.

You can check some clip here D90 | D-MOVIE

Kurth Bousman · August 27th, 2008, 03:27 PM

Nikon already knows how to make movie cameras . The nikon s8s were some of the best . This will probably be the beginning of a new category for nikon that will change the video industry as much or more than Red ever could - hopefully apologies accepted - and it will probably be designed more like their earlier super8s , as Nikon seems to archive all of those beautiful designs , as a starting point. Next we can probably expect this to migrate down the Nikon chain to the d60 , and be even cheaper, and up to the d4 and be alot more useful on a ff model with probably higher frame rates too !! very cool

www.kurthbousman.com

Tim Polster · August 27th, 2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Bell

Feed it into a XDR and you have preview, sound sync and archive :-)

Your right Ray. XDR seems like a must have.

I see this application (once faster framerates appear) as a great specialty tool in the kit.

Not an everyday camera, but something to pull out on a stationary green screen shoot or interview with shallow DOF.

The keys pulled from the near 4:4:4 color have a real use...

I love my 30D & 5D, but would dump them in a second if any other models also had a decent movie mode.

Tim Polster · August 27th, 2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Standing

Who cares? Hook it up to a NanoFlash or a Cineform Solid and record to your heart's content.

What Cineform Solid? This product is still in the planning stage.

Brian Standing · August 27th, 2008, 03:58 PM

You're right, of course. The Cineform Solid is, unfortunately, still very much vaporware at this stage. The Convergent Designs unit is real.

My point was just that, with HDMI recorders available or looming on the horizon, you needn't be hampered by Nikon's codec or short record times.

August 27th, 2008, 09:12 AM	#17
Theodore McNeil Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Centreville, Maryland Posts: 258	Just saw the video, I don't think Red has to worry ... yet. I think it needs a better recording format. But, if the Scarlet is a hit I would be surprised if Nikon jumps on the band wagon. __________________ http://twitter.com/tedmcneil

August 27th, 2008, 12:19 PM	#26
Jean Daniel Villiers Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Mauritius Posts: 33	Nikon D90 movie mode for indie filmmakers I don't know if anybody has seen the announcement of the Nikon d90 with the film mode. It is a 720p 24fps film mode in mjeg using the apsc format (35 mm film size) on a $ 1000 Nikon digital slr. It is not perfect in some ways but we are getting a 35mm capable (DOF, low light) digital slr image quality with the whole range of Nikon lenses at a fraction of the cost. Many have speculated before that the Digital photo cameras had all the technologies to produce excellent film cameras and I think it is just a start, at least for Nikon who on the contrary of Canon and Sony has no video or movie camera line to cannibalise. I guest this will be implemented in the next iteration of the Nikon professional range aka D4 - D400 with perhaps 1080p capabilities. I come from the photography world and had always an interest in movie making. I have followed most of the development of the diy camera here and hope that some like the Sumix materialise. Hoping that someday we would get the same imaging possibilities in the movie world compared to what can be done with photography at way below prices. I think it is just a start but very exiting one. You can check some clip here D90 \| D-MOVIE

August 27th, 2008, 03:27 PM	#27
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	remember nikons' s8 Nikon already knows how to make movie cameras . The nikon s8s were some of the best . This will probably be the beginning of a new category for nikon that will change the video industry as much or more than Red ever could - hopefully apologies accepted - and it will probably be designed more like their earlier super8s , as Nikon seems to archive all of those beautiful designs , as a starting point. Next we can probably expect this to migrate down the Nikon chain to the d60 , and be even cheaper, and up to the d4 and be alot more useful on a ff model with probably higher frame rates too !! very cool www.kurthbousman.com

August 27th, 2008, 03:58 PM	#30
Brian Standing Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 621	You're right, of course. The Cineform Solid is, unfortunately, still very much vaporware at this stage. The Convergent Designs unit is real. My point was just that, with HDMI recorders available or looming on the horizon, you needn't be hampered by Nikon's codec or short record times. __________________ http://www.prolefeedstudios.com/blog/ Documentary for the masses!

August 27th, 2008, 09:02 AM	#16
Ian Lim Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 178	It's quite funny, because i'm about to purchase a new camcorder today, then i read about this :) Check out this Vimeo video: Nikon D90 sample video on Vimeo Pay attention to the 'auto exposure'. I'm wondering if this can be set to manual. Anyway, it's an incredible start yet a shocking news for photo and video convergence. When the 1080p version is released, say goodbye to recent camcorders and adapters... sobbing

August 27th, 2008, 09:40 AM	#19
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	But it's still a shame that public chipsets still cannot injest or produce unencrypted HDMI 1080p.

August 27th, 2008, 10:44 AM	#21
Bob Diaz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LA, California Posts: 170	Don't get me wrong, the camera looks really good, but as for the video, it looks like it's lacking in the audio. I didn't see any XLR connection for mikes. All the videos posted are downsized, it would be nice to be able to get a copy of the source file and see it full size. Maybe it's OK, but I don't know if it is or isn't. There could be compression noise... Still, once it come out it should be interesting to see in action. Bob Diaz

August 27th, 2008, 10:46 AM	#22
Jeff Krepner Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Timonium, MD Posts: 142	I think it is fair to assume that pretty soon (if not already) the technology will be cheap enough to do 1080P on DSLRs in this price range, no? If so, wouldn't other companies stand to lose a great deal... say Sony, Panasonic, JVC? I'd almost venture to say that Nikon would do this but Canon wouldn't since it could cannibalize sales of their camcorders and HD cams. Compression, lack of pro audio, and work-flow issues aside--I think this would have to squarely beat any other 720P camcorder in that it shoots with a 35mm sensor size and can use so many wonderfully cheap lenses and cost about a grand.