Sanyo HD1 footage!

Graham Jones · February 21st, 2006, 10:09 AM

Ash, why you are mildly perturbed by our testing the limits of a great little cam like this I don't understand.

It's got better manual controls than the PD1/HD1/HD10 - those controls were a nightmare!

I'd be surprised if you defended garden variety Super 8 film cameras while dismissing the Sanyo HD1.

As you know, many non-professional Super 8 film cameras make a great contribution.

Wayne Morellini · February 21st, 2006, 10:28 AM

Joseph,

Red is a 11Mp camera to be revealed at NAB, the forum is here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=110

Dennis Hingsberg · February 21st, 2006, 10:37 AM

From my experience and based on the quality I've seen from this HD cam so far, there really is no reason why I couldn't shoot an indie feature or short film project using this camera (or several of them) and actually have it screen at festivals.

Hm, I think I just created a challenge for myself.

(And to think I was going to waste $10k on an XLH1 just to make indie films)

Joseph Aurili · February 21st, 2006, 12:50 PM

And since they are so cheap you can have one recording at every angle to save time!

Joseph Aurili · February 21st, 2006, 12:54 PM

Wayne, yea sign me up. If I can afford it...

Graham Jones · February 21st, 2006, 02:53 PM

Joseph, I've checked the manual for Webcam functionality but can't seem to find it.

It's the 5th feature listed here though..

• Film in High Definition (Máx Resolution.
Film: 1,280 X 720)
• Zoom: Digital optic 10 x/10 x/Reproduction 58 x
• 3 Ways of Flash
• Raised Sensitivity in Clip Video
• Easiness “Webcam”
• Correcção de Movimento, Twinkle e
Noise of Wind in Clip Video
• Directa Impression saw handle USB (PictBridge)
• Timer of Automatic Detonation (2 the 10 second.)
• Ultra-Compacta
• Ultra-Leve
• Incorporated Stereo Microphone
• 2,0 Interface USB High-Speed
• Exit AV
• S-Vídeo Exit
(http://www.livingroom.org.au/photolo..._xacti_hd1.php)

Just wondering whether you know?

Joseph Aurili · February 21st, 2006, 03:16 PM

Graham, I think it is in the software manual I posted. I read in my printed manual a section called "USING AS A PC CAMERA". It says use Windows XP SP2. It will work with Windows Messenger 5.0+, or MSN Messenger 7.0+. No zoom. 15FPS.

Graham Jones · February 21st, 2006, 05:24 PM

Thanks Joseph - bizarrely, I can't locate that section in the pdf.

Oh well, just good to know it can be used in that capacity.

February 21st, 2006, 10:10 PM

Is it possible to shoot some 720p footage as soft as possible instead the unpleasant crisp look of a few of the linked samples?

It would be appreciated.

February 21st, 2006, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Jones Senior

...
• Easiness “Webcam”
• Correcção de Movimento, Twinkle e
Noise of Wind in Clip Video
...

What's this? Is it portuguese in the middle of an english spec text?

Paul Platt · February 21st, 2006, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Jones Senior

Thanks Joseph - bizarrely, I can't locate that section in the pdf.

Oh well, just good to know it can be used in that capacity.

Don't look in the main manual. Look in the file "Software_GB.pdf" posted elsewhere in this forum. Look on page 26. The first part of the text is:

USING AS A PC CAMERA
If running Windows XP, you can connect the camera to a computer and use it
as a PC camera. Before using your camera as a PC camera, please install
Windows XP SP2.

Paul

Steve Mullen · February 22nd, 2006, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Jones Senior

It's got better manual controls than the PD1/HD1/HD10 -- those controls were a nightmare!

After shooting the summer and fall with an HD100 I took my HD1 to Asia and fell back in love with it. Even rewrote my HD1/HD10 Shooting Guide because I realized I could use the HD1/HD10 just like the HD100 -- even though it doesn't have the controls you are "supposed" to have.

The JVC's are very EZ to shoot with if you use them like a PRO camera. It's a 1, 2, 3 step with either an HD100 or HD1.

Here's short film shot -- not mine -- with the JVC HD10.

http://medialab.ifc.com/film_detail....m_id=63&list=1

Steve Mullen · February 22nd, 2006, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luc-Henri Barthelemy

Steve, On my Powerbook G4 1.5 1G, I only get an acceptable result (720p mp4) with the VLC freeware, QT Player does not works well. For h264 (movie trailers) QTP is the best.

I agree with the S 1/30, but the min aperture is 8 and the ND filter is just one level. The last Joseph S30 panoramic is a little bit overexposed.

Luc-Henri

VLC doesn't play all that well either. My interest was in seeing if it could be edited in FCP. Maybe I'll try iMovieHD.

The S30 shot goes so far out of focus during the pan. I suspect he wasn't using manual focus. You just must not use AF except to set focus. Once a shot starts it must be off. If you don't not only may it go out of focus -- every tiny AF change wastes encoding power causing quality to drop.

I'm not sure it over-exposed -- its that the latitude is so great in the scene something has to give. It has great detail in the shadows.

"BTW you can not go higher then f6.8 in manual modes." Are you saying if you set the shutter-speed you can't go higher than 6.8?

Also, what ISO is being used?

Luc-Henri Barthelemy · February 22nd, 2006, 03:16 AM

User manual is giving F8 as the smalest aperture. But in a previous post, Joseph tell us than in A mode setting(IMO), he can't set an aperture smalest than 6.8. I suppose that in automatic mode or S mode the cam can set the aperture to 8. The other possibility is that F8 is reserved to still mode.
For ISO (ASA), I suppose it is kind of trick to make gain understandable to argentic still camera old users ?
He used the smallest one 50 ISO setting (said to be 100 ISO for video in user guide).
For focus, I think you are right, the panoramic is not so fast.
I am far to be a pro of video editing, but for me iMovieHD (#5 bundled with MacOSX G5 last year) works for basics needs, but is too slow on my PB. Works well with 2XG5 PowerMac.

Luc-Henri

Graham Jones · February 22nd, 2006, 03:22 AM

Sure Steve, but the point I was making was strictly in relation to the relatively decent manual control allowance on the Sanyo, which reminded me about that old anomaly on the JVC HD1/0 - where one couldn't properly set the controls simultaneously, because setting one would knock another out.

Ultimately, the JVC HD1/0 is probably superior to the Sanyo HD1.

Not to drift off the point, but I find that short quite badly shot - mainly due to poor blocking and lighting, particularly in the bar. The poor acting obviously isn't relevant. When video is done badly, the consequences are very severe, no matter what the spec of the camera.

February 21st, 2006, 10:09 AM	#271
Graham Jones Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 489	Ash, why you are mildly perturbed by our testing the limits of a great little cam like this I don't understand. It's got better manual controls than the PD1/HD1/HD10 - those controls were a nightmare! I'd be surprised if you defended garden variety Super 8 film cameras while dismissing the Sanyo HD1. As you know, many non-professional Super 8 film cameras make a great contribution. __________________ www.irishfilmmaker.com

February 21st, 2006, 10:37 AM	#273
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	From my experience and based on the quality I've seen from this HD cam so far, there really is no reason why I couldn't shoot an indie feature or short film project using this camera (or several of them) and actually have it screen at festivals. Hm, I think I just created a challenge for myself. (And to think I was going to waste $10k on an XLH1 just to make indie films) __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55 Last edited by Dennis Hingsberg; February 21st, 2006 at 12:12 PM.

February 21st, 2006, 02:53 PM	#276
Graham Jones Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 489	Joseph, I've checked the manual for Webcam functionality but can't seem to find it. It's the 5th feature listed here though.. • Film in High Definition (Máx Resolution. Film: 1,280 X 720) • Zoom: Digital optic 10 x/10 x/Reproduction 58 x • 3 Ways of Flash • Raised Sensitivity in Clip Video • Easiness “Webcam” • Correcção de Movimento, Twinkle e Noise of Wind in Clip Video • Directa Impression saw handle USB (PictBridge) • Timer of Automatic Detonation (2 the 10 second.) • Ultra-Compacta • Ultra-Leve • Incorporated Stereo Microphone • 2,0 Interface USB High-Speed • Exit AV • S-Vídeo Exit (http://www.livingroom.org.au/photolo..._xacti_hd1.php) Just wondering whether you know? __________________ www.irishfilmmaker.com

February 21st, 2006, 05:24 PM	#278
Graham Jones Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 489	Thanks Joseph - bizarrely, I can't locate that section in the pdf. Oh well, just good to know it can be used in that capacity. __________________ www.irishfilmmaker.com

February 21st, 2006, 10:10 PM	#279
Guest Posts: n/a	HD1 soft footage request Is it possible to shoot some 720p footage as soft as possible instead the unpleasant crisp look of a few of the linked samples? It would be appreciated.

February 21st, 2006, 10:28 AM	#272
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	Joseph, Red is a 11Mp camera to be revealed at NAB, the forum is here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=110

February 21st, 2006, 12:50 PM	#274
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	And since they are so cheap you can have one recording at every angle to save time!

February 21st, 2006, 12:54 PM	#275
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	Wayne, yea sign me up. If I can afford it...

February 21st, 2006, 03:16 PM	#277
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	Graham, I think it is in the software manual I posted. I read in my printed manual a section called "USING AS A PC CAMERA". It says use Windows XP SP2. It will work with Windows Messenger 5.0+, or MSN Messenger 7.0+. No zoom. 15FPS.

February 22nd, 2006, 03:16 AM	#284
Luc-Henri Barthelemy Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paris France Posts: 29	Aperture User manual is giving F8 as the smalest aperture. But in a previous post, Joseph tell us than in A mode setting(IMO), he can't set an aperture smalest than 6.8. I suppose that in automatic mode or S mode the cam can set the aperture to 8. The other possibility is that F8 is reserved to still mode. For ISO (ASA), I suppose it is kind of trick to make gain understandable to argentic still camera old users ? He used the smallest one 50 ISO setting (said to be 100 ISO for video in user guide). For focus, I think you are right, the panoramic is not so fast. I am far to be a pro of video editing, but for me iMovieHD (#5 bundled with MacOSX G5 last year) works for basics needs, but is too slow on my PB. Works well with 2XG5 PowerMac. Luc-Henri

February 22nd, 2006, 03:22 AM	#285
Graham Jones Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 489	Sure Steve, but the point I was making was strictly in relation to the relatively decent manual control allowance on the Sanyo, which reminded me about that old anomaly on the JVC HD1/0 - where one couldn't properly set the controls simultaneously, because setting one would knock another out. Ultimately, the JVC HD1/0 is probably superior to the Sanyo HD1. Not to drift off the point, but I find that short quite badly shot - mainly due to poor blocking and lighting, particularly in the bar. The poor acting obviously isn't relevant. When video is done badly, the consequences are very severe, no matter what the spec of the camera. __________________ www.irishfilmmaker.com Last edited by Graham Jones; February 22nd, 2006 at 04:30 AM.