Sanyo HD1 footage!

Joseph Aurili · February 17th, 2006, 02:33 PM

David, you are right, when I do a direct compare on screen between the Sanyo and the JVC charts, the Sanyo clip has a purplish tint.

Joseph Aurili · February 17th, 2006, 02:48 PM

BTW, it was a real nice over cast day here today. I was out for lunch. A day made for pictures. I pulled the Sanyo out of my pocket. Opened up the LCD. Pressed the power button. The camera says (it talks if you don't know) "please insert a memory card". I left the SD card in my computer. Don't let this happen to you... ;)

Joseph Aurili · February 17th, 2006, 02:53 PM

I also got my i-glasses Video Pro 3D HMD today. It will be fun to try it with this camera.

Dave Ferdinand · February 17th, 2006, 02:59 PM

When I watch the HD1 clips on my computer screen they seem on par with the HC1 clips, but when I look at my HDTV the Sanyo camera is way more noisier and has lots of artifacts, mainly on skin tones.

However some shots of Dennis post look great - namely the red rose and the small water fall.

I have my HDTV connected to my computer using DVI.

Justin Liu · February 17th, 2006, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph Aurili

Justin, if the card can do a MB a second it should work. I don't have a low speed card to test on. My ultraII does 9-10MB a second.

I believe the Sandisk cards are supposed to be 33x, which translates to 5MB/s, which in theory should be much more than enough, but you never know what that means in the real world.

Interestingly, on Rob Galbraith's site, he reports that the standard Sandisk SD card is actually slightly faster than an Ultra II in a card to computer transfer test.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...?cid=6007-6894

Unfortunately, he doesn't have any write performance data.

Joseph Aurili · February 17th, 2006, 05:23 PM

The i-glasses look great when watching a DVD with the default settings. They have 800x600 resolution. When I hook them up to the Sanyo the live image looks dull and muddy, with very little color. Pretty unusable. The cameras LCD looks much better. Also I get no live sound for some reason, but I can hear the camera talk.

Tom Roper · February 17th, 2006, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph Aurili

Tom, so on your 50 incher did the picture look better then what you would get from a good SD camcorder? Or a SD TV broadcast?

Let me reserve opinion until I see the other clips. I downloaded them. I'll view them when I get home, still at work...

John Calder · February 18th, 2006, 12:58 AM

Request for Joseph or anyone else testing an HD1.
I persist with indie hopes for this HD1, I can go with
lights and a tripod, and I am wondering if the combo of
higher resolution than DV with progressive scan is going to make
greenscreen compositing work out better than in DV.

Could someone please shoot and post a short (~ 5 sec)
greenscreen test. This could be a person in front of a
green sheet in overcast light to give even brightness on
the background. Or a toy doll or soft toy in
front of a piece of coloured card or paper (or a sheet).
Please setup with distance between the object/person
and the background.

February 18th, 2006, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph Aurili

www.gamersden.com/hd1test/lowlamp.JPG
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/lowlampNR.JPG

The links are down -- don't work!

Luc-Henri Barthelemy · February 18th, 2006, 04:51 AM

Joseph, considering that your last clips (low light) are - for me - better than the first set and also because the child and baby clips are far better, I suppose you need to fix the aperture, the shutter speed, or ISO setting to have a good result (after trying to find the critical parameter or best combinations). But because you did not seem to try it (?), I have just a question about the manual video exposure : for me it is not obvious - reading the manual- that you are allowed to choose your aperture or your shutter speed for VIDEO mode. Is this only allowed for still photo mode ?

PS : looking at the baby and kid rapid movements (step by step), I suppose the shutter speed is low. The other difference is that main subjects, (humans with low contrast) are closeups and on the center of the field.

PS2: I just watched the japonese clip. The duck is quite incredible, and we have a lot of light ! On first plans, far background is not as good, at the opposite of the baby's clip. The baby's clip shows smooth (blurred) fast movements and sharp far background : for me the shutter speed is slow but the aperture is 11 or more. May be the auto expo (used with your clips ?) leave the aperture around 3,5 and only adjust the shutter speed (the doc says it can go down to 1/10000 !). Lenses at max aperture are not at their best, and may be compression is difficult in a quite stroboscopic succession of pictures ?

We have to thanks you for all Joseph, it's a pleasure to have all this stuff to examine.

Dennis, the baby and child files have exactly the same tags than Joseph and japan clips : "SANYO DIGITAL CAMERA HD1" MPEG-4 ODSM,MPEG-4 ODSM, etc...

To conclude, for me, this camcorder is able to deliver the best, but not in every situation, and you have to find the optimal range for each parameter.

Luc-Henri

Wayne Morellini · February 18th, 2006, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

Downloaded several MP4 clips and they can be edited in FCP. Except performance is very slow and the audio remains embedded in the video clip.

Steve, what computer/speed are you running it on? Whats your impression of the clips, are we looking at the next HD10?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Hingsberg

I REALLY REALLY can't wait to snowboard down a mountain with the camera mounted to my snowboard... or clutched tightly in my hand.

Dennis, when you take it snowboarding, could you post a link here?

I remember that watchimpress sight from before, I think it is a good one to bookmark for when the Sanyo's competitors start getting reviewed in a month or so.

Dennis Hingsberg · February 18th, 2006, 08:16 AM

Attention Indies

Here's some of Josephs footage edited together, down rezzed to SD then have some post coloring applied.

www.starcentral.ca/dvinfo/hd1post1.mov
right click and save target as - file is 33MB

I used After Effects to down rez but don't know if there isn't a better workflow for this. I recompressed it as MOV.

Let me know what you guys think ; )

Joseph Aurili · February 18th, 2006, 08:23 AM

Leuname, Fixed lowlamp clips.

John, Sorry, I don't have a green screen. I will try a solid background if I have a chance.

Luc-Henri , I can adjust both the f stop and the shuter speed in M mode in video and use the neutral density filter. I am not that good with manual controls. You are right that the aperture stays low and the shutter speed is adjusted in auto.

Joseph Aurili · February 18th, 2006, 08:50 AM

Dennis, thanks for putting that together. For SD, the detail looks good. And the music brings it to life ;)

Joseph Aurili · February 18th, 2006, 09:01 AM

Here is a picture and a very short clip with the lens cap on to test no light color of the camera:

www.gamersden.com/hd1test/cap.JPG
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/cap.MP4

And a high contrast still picture of a cat that I think came out quite well:

www.gamersden.com/hd1test/cat.JPG

February 17th, 2006, 02:59 PM	#199
Dave Ferdinand Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 359	When I watch the HD1 clips on my computer screen they seem on par with the HC1 clips, but when I look at my HDTV the Sanyo camera is way more noisier and has lots of artifacts, mainly on skin tones. However some shots of Dennis post look great - namely the red rose and the small water fall. I have my HDTV connected to my computer using DVI. __________________ Do or do not, there is no try.

February 18th, 2006, 12:58 AM	#203
John Calder New Boot Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckand, New Zealand Posts: 13	Greenscreen sample please Request for Joseph or anyone else testing an HD1. I persist with indie hopes for this HD1, I can go with lights and a tripod, and I am wondering if the combo of higher resolution than DV with progressive scan is going to make greenscreen compositing work out better than in DV. Could someone please shoot and post a short (~ 5 sec) greenscreen test. This could be a person in front of a green sheet in overcast light to give even brightness on the background. Or a toy doll or soft toy in front of a piece of coloured card or paper (or a sheet). Please setup with distance between the object/person and the background.

February 18th, 2006, 04:51 AM	#205
Luc-Henri Barthelemy Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paris France Posts: 29	Clips quality Joseph, considering that your last clips (low light) are - for me - better than the first set and also because the child and baby clips are far better, I suppose you need to fix the aperture, the shutter speed, or ISO setting to have a good result (after trying to find the critical parameter or best combinations). But because you did not seem to try it (?), I have just a question about the manual video exposure : for me it is not obvious - reading the manual- that you are allowed to choose your aperture or your shutter speed for VIDEO mode. Is this only allowed for still photo mode ? PS : looking at the baby and kid rapid movements (step by step), I suppose the shutter speed is low. The other difference is that main subjects, (humans with low contrast) are closeups and on the center of the field. PS2: I just watched the japonese clip. The duck is quite incredible, and we have a lot of light ! On first plans, far background is not as good, at the opposite of the baby's clip. The baby's clip shows smooth (blurred) fast movements and sharp far background : for me the shutter speed is slow but the aperture is 11 or more. May be the auto expo (used with your clips ?) leave the aperture around 3,5 and only adjust the shutter speed (the doc says it can go down to 1/10000 !). Lenses at max aperture are not at their best, and may be compression is difficult in a quite stroboscopic succession of pictures ? We have to thanks you for all Joseph, it's a pleasure to have all this stuff to examine. Dennis, the baby and child files have exactly the same tags than Joseph and japan clips : "SANYO DIGITAL CAMERA HD1" MPEG-4 ODSM,MPEG-4 ODSM, etc... To conclude, for me, this camcorder is able to deliver the best, but not in every situation, and you have to find the optimal range for each parameter. Luc-Henri

February 18th, 2006, 08:16 AM	#207
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Attention I Attention Indies Here's some of Josephs footage edited together, down rezzed to SD then have some post coloring applied. www.starcentral.ca/dvinfo/hd1post1.mov right click and save target as - file is 33MB I used After Effects to down rez but don't know if there isn't a better workflow for this. I recompressed it as MOV. Let me know what you guys think ; ) __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

February 18th, 2006, 08:23 AM	#208
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	Leuname, Fixed lowlamp clips. John, Sorry, I don't have a green screen. I will try a solid background if I have a chance. Luc-Henri , I can adjust both the f stop and the shuter speed in M mode in video and use the neutral density filter. I am not that good with manual controls. You are right that the aperture stays low and the shutter speed is adjusted in auto. Last edited by Joseph Aurili; February 18th, 2006 at 09:37 AM.

February 17th, 2006, 02:33 PM	#196
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	David, you are right, when I do a direct compare on screen between the Sanyo and the JVC charts, the Sanyo clip has a purplish tint.

February 17th, 2006, 02:48 PM	#197
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	BTW, it was a real nice over cast day here today. I was out for lunch. A day made for pictures. I pulled the Sanyo out of my pocket. Opened up the LCD. Pressed the power button. The camera says (it talks if you don't know) "please insert a memory card". I left the SD card in my computer. Don't let this happen to you... ;)

February 17th, 2006, 02:53 PM	#198
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	I also got my i-glasses Video Pro 3D HMD today. It will be fun to try it with this camera.

February 17th, 2006, 05:23 PM	#201
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	The i-glasses look great when watching a DVD with the default settings. They have 800x600 resolution. When I hook them up to the Sanyo the live image looks dull and muddy, with very little color. Pretty unusable. The cameras LCD looks much better. Also I get no live sound for some reason, but I can hear the camera talk.

February 18th, 2006, 08:50 AM	#209
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	Dennis, thanks for putting that together. For SD, the detail looks good. And the music brings it to life ;)

February 18th, 2006, 09:01 AM	#210
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	Here is a picture and a very short clip with the lens cap on to test no light color of the camera: www.gamersden.com/hd1test/cap.JPG www.gamersden.com/hd1test/cap.MP4 And a high contrast still picture of a cat that I think came out quite well: www.gamersden.com/hd1test/cat.JPG