Sony HXRMC1 at DVinfo.net

Ron Evans · February 26th, 2009, 08:34 AM

Just noticed the price on the Sony site Sony Product Detail Page - HXRMC1/ACC. Seems a little expensive for a repackage of HDR-TG1 consumer camera!!! That's over 3 times the price. I was expecting it to be 50% to twice the price.
Ron Evans

Paulo Teixeira · February 26th, 2009, 09:09 AM

Sony knows that it’ll be used for a lot of professional applications so their pricing it accordingly but there is one other HD POV system and it’s from Panasonic. I don’t think they released the price yet.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/panasonic...-complete.html

Ron Evans · February 26th, 2009, 01:35 PM

That looks like a nice unit too.

Ron Evans

Paulo Teixeira · February 26th, 2009, 02:05 PM

The current B&H price for the MC1 is $2,900 and with the specs of the Panasonic being much, much better, Sony will have to lower it if Panasonic puts a similar price tag.
Sony | HXR-MC1 POV HD CAMERA w/MIC - MONITOR | HXR-MC1/ACC | B&H

Christian Magnussen · February 27th, 2009, 05:06 AM

The fact though is that HD POV cams usually costs MUCH more, even if this is a repackaged consumercam, its still a bargain for what it is.

What Panasonic has planned are even more interesting...can't wait to see that one.

Steve Connor · March 12th, 2009, 10:11 AM

Just finished our first shoot with this camera, we put it in the cockpit of a WW2 aircraft and the PQ is outstanding.

Alkim Un · March 13th, 2009, 12:20 PM

hi Steve,

I m also planning to buy this camera at London. you say it's PQ is outstanding.so is it better than TG1 ? can you compare it to EX1-3 ? or can you share any footage ? is it production model ?

thanks.
alkım.

Steve Connor · March 16th, 2009, 12:28 PM

Well it cut perfectly with our EX3 footage, there is a clip here, but it's not in HD so I'm not sure how much use it is. Just for reference the large wide shot in the cockpit of the aircraft is with an SD camera.

I'll try and post an HD version on Vimeo later in the week.

http://www.flyingmachinestv.co.uk/storchfirstflight.wmv

Alister Chapman · March 18th, 2009, 02:18 PM

The picture quality is the same as the TG1/TG3, but the versatility is far greater. It's a really nice package. I just wish the lens was wider and it had audio in.

However both of those can be sorted with a wide angle adapter and a modification to add an audio input.

Mark Veilleux · April 8th, 2009, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira

Sony knows that it’ll be used for a lot of professional applications so their pricing it accordingly but there is one other HD POV system and it’s from Panasonic. I don’t think they released the price yet.
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/panasonic...ml#post1011330

Where can i find out more about this camera? I tried to view the above link and it did not work.

Trevor Meeks · April 8th, 2009, 02:18 PM

We were lucky to get our hands on one from a local store here in the Bay Area, and we've been extremely happy with the results. The documentary project my team is working on right now involves lots of POV footage, and we've actually mounted the MC1 on the outside of aerobatic aircraft doing over 180mph with great success. It's a fantastic camera and well worth the cost - the only downside that I see is the AVCHD workflow, which seems to consume a huge amount of space (Around 1gb/min.) when importing at full quality into FCP in ProRes422.

Stay tuned, we should have some footage up shortly, I'll try and post it here.

Paulo Teixeira · April 8th, 2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Veilleux

Where can i find out more about this camera? I tried to view the above link and it did not work.

Chris Hurd must have moved it.

Here’s a link to an outside source:
Panasonic Announces Its New AG-HMR10 AVCCAM Compact Recorder and Multi-purpose Camera Head | The Briefing Room

3x ¼” CMOS chips with a native pixel count of 1920x1080 each, which is the same that’s used in the Panasonic TM300. To put things in perspective, the Sony V1u uses chips that are about the same size.

Here is a quote from that site:
“The handheld unit records stunning full HD 1920×1080 resolution images in three recording modes – the highest quality PH mode** (average 21 Mbps/max. 24 Mbps), HA mode (approx.17 Mbps) and HG mode (approx.13 Mbps). The HE mode (approx. 6 Mbps) records at 1440×1080. The HMR10 records in HD formats including 1080/60i, 1080/50i, 720/60p and 720/50p.”

Christian Magnussen · April 8th, 2009, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevor Meeks

the only downside that I see is the AVCHD workflow, which seems to consume a huge amount of space (Around 1gb/min.) when importing at full quality into FCP in ProRes422.

If only we Avid users were that lucky....no sensible way of direct import in Composer yet.

Paulo Teixeira · April 8th, 2009, 07:11 PM

So what’s the full story between AVID and AVCHD? Is it really worse than Final Cut? Is that for all AVID products?

Avid is going to be at NAB and I’ll be extremely happy if both Apple and AVID offer native AVCHD editing by May. I’m going back to college to upgrade my associates to a Bachelors degree and it’s not funny that 2 of the editing programs that they offer dosn't fully support AVCHD.

Trevor Meeks · April 10th, 2009, 12:25 AM

Just an update - my producer (who owns the camera I rigged this past weekend) just sent me a quick clip of the footage from the acro flights we filmed. As he states on the vimeo page, vimeo does not do this footage justice, but it gives you a good idea of what this camera can do!

Guneet flying with Ben Freelove on Vimeo

Filmed using the MC1 and the wide-angle .7x adapter mounted between the center struts of the pitts S-2 biplane. We could have pulled the shot back a little more but I wanted to make sure the camera was mounted securely, which involved fixing it two two struts instead of one.

A photo of me rigging the MC1

Enjoy!

February 26th, 2009, 08:34 AM	#1
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Sony HXRMC1 Just noticed the price on the Sony site Sony Product Detail Page - HXRMC1/ACC. Seems a little expensive for a repackage of HDR-TG1 consumer camera!!! That's over 3 times the price. I was expecting it to be 50% to twice the price. Ron Evans

February 26th, 2009, 09:09 AM	#2
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Sony knows that it’ll be used for a lot of professional applications so their pricing it accordingly but there is one other HD POV system and it’s from Panasonic. I don’t think they released the price yet. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/panasonic...-complete.html __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot Last edited by Paulo Teixeira; February 26th, 2009 at 10:41 AM.

February 26th, 2009, 02:05 PM	#4
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	The current B&H price for the MC1 is $2,900 and with the specs of the Panasonic being much, much better, Sony will have to lower it if Panasonic puts a similar price tag. Sony \| HXR-MC1 POV HD CAMERA w/MIC - MONITOR \| HXR-MC1/ACC \| B&H __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

March 18th, 2009, 02:18 PM	#9
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	The picture quality is the same as the TG1/TG3, but the versatility is far greater. It's a really nice package. I just wish the lens was wider and it had audio in. However both of those can be sorted with a wide angle adapter and a modification to add an audio input. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

April 8th, 2009, 07:11 PM	#14
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	So what’s the full story between AVID and AVCHD? Is it really worse than Final Cut? Is that for all AVID products? Avid is going to be at NAB and I’ll be extremely happy if both Apple and AVID offer native AVCHD editing by May. I’m going back to college to upgrade my associates to a Bachelors degree and it’s not funny that 2 of the editing programs that they offer dosn't fully support AVCHD. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot Last edited by Paulo Teixeira; April 8th, 2009 at 08:17 PM.

February 26th, 2009, 01:35 PM	#3
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	That looks like a nice unit too. Ron Evans

February 27th, 2009, 05:06 AM	#5
Christian Magnussen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 191	The fact though is that HD POV cams usually costs MUCH more, even if this is a repackaged consumercam, its still a bargain for what it is. What Panasonic has planned are even more interesting...can't wait to see that one.

March 12th, 2009, 10:11 AM	#6
Steve Connor Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 383	Just finished our first shoot with this camera, we put it in the cockpit of a WW2 aircraft and the PQ is outstanding.

March 13th, 2009, 12:20 PM	#7
Alkim Un Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ankara, Turkey Posts: 136	hi Steve, I m also planning to buy this camera at London. you say it's PQ is outstanding.so is it better than TG1 ? can you compare it to EX1-3 ? or can you share any footage ? is it production model ? thanks. alkım.

March 16th, 2009, 12:28 PM	#8
Steve Connor Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 383	Well it cut perfectly with our EX3 footage, there is a clip here, but it's not in HD so I'm not sure how much use it is. Just for reference the large wide shot in the cockpit of the aircraft is with an SD camera. I'll try and post an HD version on Vimeo later in the week. http://www.flyingmachinestv.co.uk/storchfirstflight.wmv

April 8th, 2009, 02:18 PM	#11
Trevor Meeks Major Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 336	We were lucky to get our hands on one from a local store here in the Bay Area, and we've been extremely happy with the results. The documentary project my team is working on right now involves lots of POV footage, and we've actually mounted the MC1 on the outside of aerobatic aircraft doing over 180mph with great success. It's a fantastic camera and well worth the cost - the only downside that I see is the AVCHD workflow, which seems to consume a huge amount of space (Around 1gb/min.) when importing at full quality into FCP in ProRes422. Stay tuned, we should have some footage up shortly, I'll try and post it here.

April 10th, 2009, 12:25 AM	#15
Trevor Meeks Major Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 336	Just an update - my producer (who owns the camera I rigged this past weekend) just sent me a quick clip of the footage from the acro flights we filmed. As he states on the vimeo page, vimeo does not do this footage justice, but it gives you a good idea of what this camera can do! Guneet flying with Ben Freelove on Vimeo Filmed using the MC1 and the wide-angle .7x adapter mounted between the center struts of the pitts S-2 biplane. We could have pulled the shot back a little more but I wanted to make sure the camera was mounted securely, which involved fixing it two two struts instead of one. A photo of me rigging the MC1 Enjoy!