Best Mini DV tape for freezing temps? at DVinfo.net

Van Hooker · September 15th, 2006, 08:44 AM

Hi. I have a Sony HDR-HC3. I will soon be taking it with me to Anatarcica. Can anyone comment on what is the best mini DV tape? I know little about this, but I assume that a dry (versus wet) lubricated tape would be less prone to freezing. Are there any "extreme" tapes that are good in cold temperatures like there are in CompactFlash cards.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · September 15th, 2006, 08:48 AM

The AMEII tape is as good as it gets. Beware having the cam get too cold, however, no matter what. Tape isn't your first concern, it's optics and operating mechanisms.

Andrew Olson · September 15th, 2006, 09:27 AM

Like Douglas said, I heard the cameras are the ones that get too cold in freezing temperatures. I remember watching Doug Liman's comentary on the bourne Identity and he said he went through 3 cameras filming the outside car scene in the mountains becuase the cameras kept freezing up and wouldn't work.

Richard Alvarez · September 15th, 2006, 10:26 AM

Just attended a seminar on the XDCam. They used it to shoot the Iditerod (sp?) dogsledding race documentary. Never a missed frame or shot. Litterally froze the cams in ice, thawed them out and kept shooting.

Bob Grant · September 15th, 2006, 04:50 PM

From my experience doing low temperature testing of electronics.
It takes a serious amount of cold (more than humans could tolerate probably) to stop electronics from working, the self heating effect will keep it warm enough to keep going. Adding a thermal blanket can help no end.
However once it gets cold enough it will not start up.
If possible keep the gear powered up, use Eskies to store things, add some heat bricks if needed, batteries loose a lot of power at low temperatures, keep them above 0 degC.

Per Johan Naesje · September 19th, 2006, 03:42 AM

I always use the Sony DVM-60PR3 tapes, haven't experienced any problems even in very cold temperatures (below -10 farenheit). I don't think any special tape brand are better than others.

The biggest problem will probably be your batteries and risk of condensation in your camcorder when you move your gear from warm to cold environments or the other way.

Brian McKay · September 19th, 2006, 07:49 AM

Hello Van:

The tape you use will be the least of your problems, I often shoot in conditions when the temp is -30 F and the tape has never been a problem. But I can't say that about, batteries and lens adjustments....you know it's cold when you need both hands to turn the focus ring.

As stated by others keep the camera and batteries as warm as you can and be very careful going from cold to warm in a hurry. One last suggestion...practice operating your camera while wearing mitts or gloves.

Brian

Charles Perkins · September 21st, 2006, 01:38 AM

since i shoot almost exclusivly in the mountains i feel i could answer this question. sony premium tapes worked well, never dropping a frame. i dont think its the tapes that mattered. iwas working a down to -20C with out thermal blanckets on an H1 and a FX1 and they both worked with out problem.

Colin McAuliffe · September 22nd, 2006, 06:26 PM

my experience shooting in the high himalayas showed me that tape (I was using Panny MQs) holds up fine, it's the batteries that will give you trouble. Lithium batts really dont work well at low temps. Probably about 1 10th the amount of time you would normally get. I would either think about getting some Nicads, and definately invest in the Portabrace polar mitten

September 15th, 2006, 08:44 AM	#1
Van Hooker Tourist Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 2	Best Mini DV tape for freezing temps? Hi. I have a Sony HDR-HC3. I will soon be taking it with me to Anatarcica. Can anyone comment on what is the best mini DV tape? I know little about this, but I assume that a dry (versus wet) lubricated tape would be less prone to freezing. Are there any "extreme" tapes that are good in cold temperatures like there are in CompactFlash cards.

September 15th, 2006, 08:48 AM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	The AMEII tape is as good as it gets. Beware having the cam get too cold, however, no matter what. Tape isn't your first concern, it's optics and operating mechanisms. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

September 19th, 2006, 03:42 AM	#6
Per Johan Naesje Trustee Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Akershus, Norway Posts: 1,413	I always use the Sony DVM-60PR3 tapes, haven't experienced any problems even in very cold temperatures (below -10 farenheit). I don't think any special tape brand are better than others. The biggest problem will probably be your batteries and risk of condensation in your camcorder when you move your gear from warm to cold environments or the other way. __________________ - Per Johan

September 15th, 2006, 09:27 AM	#3
Andrew Olson New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Valencia, Ca Posts: 6	Like Douglas said, I heard the cameras are the ones that get too cold in freezing temperatures. I remember watching Doug Liman's comentary on the bourne Identity and he said he went through 3 cameras filming the outside car scene in the mountains becuase the cameras kept freezing up and wouldn't work.

September 15th, 2006, 10:26 AM	#4
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Just attended a seminar on the XDCam. They used it to shoot the Iditerod (sp?) dogsledding race documentary. Never a missed frame or shot. Litterally froze the cams in ice, thawed them out and kept shooting.

September 15th, 2006, 04:50 PM	#5
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	From my experience doing low temperature testing of electronics. It takes a serious amount of cold (more than humans could tolerate probably) to stop electronics from working, the self heating effect will keep it warm enough to keep going. Adding a thermal blanket can help no end. However once it gets cold enough it will not start up. If possible keep the gear powered up, use Eskies to store things, add some heat bricks if needed, batteries loose a lot of power at low temperatures, keep them above 0 degC.

September 19th, 2006, 07:49 AM	#7
Brian McKay Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Canada Posts: 289	Hello Van: The tape you use will be the least of your problems, I often shoot in conditions when the temp is -30 F and the tape has never been a problem. But I can't say that about, batteries and lens adjustments....you know it's cold when you need both hands to turn the focus ring. As stated by others keep the camera and batteries as warm as you can and be very careful going from cold to warm in a hurry. One last suggestion...practice operating your camera while wearing mitts or gloves. Brian

September 21st, 2006, 01:38 AM	#8
Charles Perkins Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: paris, fr Posts: 102	since i shoot almost exclusivly in the mountains i feel i could answer this question. sony premium tapes worked well, never dropping a frame. i dont think its the tapes that mattered. iwas working a down to -20C with out thermal blanckets on an H1 and a FX1 and they both worked with out problem.

September 22nd, 2006, 06:26 PM	#9
Colin McAuliffe Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 71	my experience shooting in the high himalayas showed me that tape (I was using Panny MQs) holds up fine, it's the batteries that will give you trouble. Lithium batts really dont work well at low temps. Probably about 1 10th the amount of time you would normally get. I would either think about getting some Nicads, and definately invest in the Portabrace polar mitten