Tape brand compatability at DVinfo.net

Mike Cavanaugh · April 21st, 2005, 08:14 AM

Tried searching using the above words - struck out, but I can't believe this hasn't been asked before...

I subscribe to the "stick with one brand" practice (I uses Fuji). But occasionally, you get stuck without enough tape for a particular shoot and need to make a quick run to the closest drugstore or big box which may not carry your particular brand of tape. Since there are only a few major manufacturers (not brands or grades) of MiniDv tape, which tapes might be more compatable in terms of their lubricant formula etc?

Anthony Marotti · April 23rd, 2005, 09:58 AM

Hello,

I know this has been discussed at nausea, but I am still perplexed and maybe it needs another go. After all, new information becomes available and we all have new experiences every day.

I like to run Maxell tapes (purchased at SAM's for less than $2.00 each... The SAME tape that sells for $3.95 - $4.95 on the net) for testing, auditions, lighting tests, etc. When I go on a shoot, I use professional tape. My problem is that around here, I can only buy Sony tape locally, so if I run out (shame on me) I have to use Sony.

What I gather is that this is not good, and I believe it because I think it has given me countless problems :-(

Now BJs has Fuji tapes, and someone here said that they were made by Sony.... so is that true, and if so is it not true that I could go with the Fuji for my tests and then the Sony for my shoots??

Or do I just buy cases of Panasonic Pro tapes??

So confusing :-(

Andrew Paul · April 25th, 2005, 03:54 AM

I remember this discussion last year. Apparantly, the simplest solution is to get a tape cleaner. If you need to change your stock type, then give the heads a good clean. This will remove any lubricant that might mix with the new type of lubricant that could lead to blocked tape head etc.

Anthony Marotti · April 25th, 2005, 06:18 AM

Hello Andrew,

Thanks for the reply!

That certainly sounds reasonable.... but sometimes good logic isn't always the technological answer unfortunately.

I am interested because I have had problems with my Canon XL1 and XL2 with drop outs, and I wasn't, nor am I, convinced it was a tape issue... but the cameras check out :-(

So I am perplexed with this dilemma. To make it worst, Fuji is suppose to be made by Sony, but no reference to it in any of the fine print... so I haven't verified that. And none of the tapes that I have seen have any details about the tape, like wet or dry lube, on the packaging.

Does anyone have an opinion on the BJs (Fuji) verses Sam's (Maxell) issue that I posted above?? i.e. if I use the Maxell for tests, start to use Panasonic Pro tapes on paid shoots, if I go with Fuji, use Sony pro tapes on paid gigs??

Thanks for all of the feedback !!

Jack Smith · April 25th, 2005, 07:53 AM

I don't have the sony /fuji answer and not trying to skirt that question but really.... I would just avoid all that and pick a tape manufacturer and stick to it.Your cameras are a big investment , spend some money on tape, order way more than you need of the pro tape and never run out.
I can't operate my cameras without a battery .I can't operate without light and I can't operate them without the specific tape.

Anthony Marotti · April 25th, 2005, 10:17 AM

Hello Jack,

Valid points to be sure, and I agree.

I am the kind of person that is interested in the "why" as well. I believe that the logic, if understood adequately, can be the foundation of the answers of future questions. That is especially handy when no one else is around to ask. Good logic can often provide those answers, so I try to get as much depth as possible on issues that concern me.

Of course having several drop-out problems recently has made me quite sensitive as well. I shoot a lot of coverage now, and I will be using 2 cameras on this next shoot, just to cover important shots that might have drop-out when least expected.

To your original point... I will probably need 40 tapes for this gig, I'll be bringing 100!

Thanks!!

Jack Smith · April 25th, 2005, 10:35 PM

Excellent! 2 cam coverage and loads of tape.
I also see your point about knowledge and do agree.As you said this has been discussed many times.Based on others experience and my own I choose to not reinvent the wheel.The info regarding tape lubricant, repetitive head cleaning,etc has been covered very well ,by input from many posters.So I think a search will cover the "why"
There are so many variables in a video production, I just cut out as many as I can.Thanks for the reply

Anthony Marotti · April 26th, 2005, 09:20 PM

Thank You Jack !!

April 21st, 2005, 08:14 AM	#1
Mike Cavanaugh Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Albany NY Posts: 311	Tape brand compatability Tried searching using the above words - struck out, but I can't believe this hasn't been asked before... I subscribe to the "stick with one brand" practice (I uses Fuji). But occasionally, you get stuck without enough tape for a particular shoot and need to make a quick run to the closest drugstore or big box which may not carry your particular brand of tape. Since there are only a few major manufacturers (not brands or grades) of MiniDv tape, which tapes might be more compatable in terms of their lubricant formula etc?

April 23rd, 2005, 09:58 AM	#2
Anthony Marotti Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 263	Hello, I know this has been discussed at nausea, but I am still perplexed and maybe it needs another go. After all, new information becomes available and we all have new experiences every day. I like to run Maxell tapes (purchased at SAM's for less than $2.00 each... The SAME tape that sells for $3.95 - $4.95 on the net) for testing, auditions, lighting tests, etc. When I go on a shoot, I use professional tape. My problem is that around here, I can only buy Sony tape locally, so if I run out (shame on me) I have to use Sony. What I gather is that this is not good, and I believe it because I think it has given me countless problems :-( Now BJs has Fuji tapes, and someone here said that they were made by Sony.... so is that true, and if so is it not true that I could go with the Fuji for my tests and then the Sony for my shoots?? Or do I just buy cases of Panasonic Pro tapes?? So confusing :-( __________________ AM

April 25th, 2005, 06:18 AM	#4
Anthony Marotti Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 263	Hello Andrew, Thanks for the reply! That certainly sounds reasonable.... but sometimes good logic isn't always the technological answer unfortunately. I am interested because I have had problems with my Canon XL1 and XL2 with drop outs, and I wasn't, nor am I, convinced it was a tape issue... but the cameras check out :-( So I am perplexed with this dilemma. To make it worst, Fuji is suppose to be made by Sony, but no reference to it in any of the fine print... so I haven't verified that. And none of the tapes that I have seen have any details about the tape, like wet or dry lube, on the packaging. Does anyone have an opinion on the BJs (Fuji) verses Sam's (Maxell) issue that I posted above?? i.e. if I use the Maxell for tests, start to use Panasonic Pro tapes on paid shoots, if I go with Fuji, use Sony pro tapes on paid gigs?? Thanks for all of the feedback !! __________________ AM

April 25th, 2005, 10:17 AM	#6
Anthony Marotti Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 263	Hello Jack, Valid points to be sure, and I agree. I am the kind of person that is interested in the "why" as well. I believe that the logic, if understood adequately, can be the foundation of the answers of future questions. That is especially handy when no one else is around to ask. Good logic can often provide those answers, so I try to get as much depth as possible on issues that concern me. Of course having several drop-out problems recently has made me quite sensitive as well. I shoot a lot of coverage now, and I will be using 2 cameras on this next shoot, just to cover important shots that might have drop-out when least expected. To your original point... I will probably need 40 tapes for this gig, I'll be bringing 100! Thanks!! __________________ AM

April 26th, 2005, 09:20 PM	#8
Anthony Marotti Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 263	Thank You Jack !! __________________ AM

April 25th, 2005, 03:54 AM	#3
Andrew Paul Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 130	I remember this discussion last year. Apparantly, the simplest solution is to get a tape cleaner. If you need to change your stock type, then give the heads a good clean. This will remove any lubricant that might mix with the new type of lubricant that could lead to blocked tape head etc.

April 25th, 2005, 07:53 AM	#5
Jack Smith Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ontario Posts: 445	I don't have the sony /fuji answer and not trying to skirt that question but really.... I would just avoid all that and pick a tape manufacturer and stick to it.Your cameras are a big investment , spend some money on tape, order way more than you need of the pro tape and never run out. I can't operate my cameras without a battery .I can't operate without light and I can't operate them without the specific tape.

April 25th, 2005, 10:35 PM	#7
Jack Smith Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ontario Posts: 445	Excellent! 2 cam coverage and loads of tape. I also see your point about knowledge and do agree.As you said this has been discussed many times.Based on others experience and my own I choose to not reinvent the wheel.The info regarding tape lubricant, repetitive head cleaning,etc has been covered very well ,by input from many posters.So I think a search will cover the "why" There are so many variables in a video production, I just cut out as many as I can.Thanks for the reply