The Gigantic Mini DV Deck / Camcorder as Deck Thread

Edward Troxel · December 2nd, 2002, 02:27 PM

If you try a deck you will NEVER want to go back to using a camera. The decks are more robust and handle jogging and shuttling MUCH faster than a camera. Decks can also fast forward and rewind MUCH faster than any camera. Plus, the deck can stay connected to the computer and TV 100% of the time - no more connecting and disconnecting wires just to use a camera.

Decks are GREAT. I am using a Panasonic AG-DV2000 which has performed tremendously for nearly 3 years.

Keith Luken · December 2nd, 2002, 02:41 PM

I guess it is a matter of preference. The deck appears to have advantages, but I usually just copy in my video and do everything else ont he computer, then if I need to keep a DV master I output the master back to the cam. Then again I am a novice and only do simply shoot and editing, maybe in a year or so when I move up I will think about it, but by then I'll want a secodn GL2 to do multi-angle shoots!

Dick Walton · December 2nd, 2002, 04:05 PM

On the hunch that you will probably do more, rather than less, video I give a nod to a deck. I've had a Sony DHR-1000 for several years and it's been a work horse. It wasn't cheap and I'm sure there are better decks for less money (see Ken's suggestions) on the market now. Running a tape back and forth in a deck a few times is a totally different experience than doing the same moves with a camera's transport. I suppose if you a relatively certain you won't be doing any follow up projects you could go with the B cam.

FWIW

Paul Young · February 7th, 2003, 09:28 AM

Does anyone here use a DV deck for their NLE? If you do, what type do you use, and why did you choose that one over another?

Thanks
Paul

Edward Troxel · February 7th, 2003, 10:53 AM

Absolutely. Have a Panasonic AG-DV2000 deck. It works GREAT.

Adam Brennan · February 7th, 2003, 02:44 PM

I am looking to transfer my DV footage to my computer and back. I don't want to use my Canon XL1 because I don't want to wear out parts on it.

Is there like a Separate unit I can buy to do this? Or do I have to buy another DV camera?

If I have to buy another DV camera, will the quailty of the picture degrade since I am using a lessor DV cam to transfer the footage?

I would do a search on this subject, but not sure what to look for.

Thanks in Adavance!

I think I will make a small donation to this site for all this good info!

Ryan Krga · February 7th, 2003, 03:29 PM

I am not sure about an external device you can use thats not a Mini DV camera, but using a lower quality camera like a 1 chip will not degrade the quality of the image.

Rhett Allen · February 7th, 2003, 03:44 PM

You can use a DV deck such as the Sony DSR-11 or you could use another camera. There are many different decks out there that would work for this, the DSR-11 because of it's price, seems to be a favorite if you are using DV over firewire.

Bill Ravens · February 7th, 2003, 03:44 PM

Sony DSR-20...reliable, smooth transport action, DV or mini-DV

Rick Spilman · February 7th, 2003, 03:44 PM

When the data is traveling over firewire it is all ones and zeros so it will not care how many chips the camera has or how good or bad the lens is. It doesn't lose anything in quality.

You other alternative is to buy a DV deck which like cameras can vary wildly in price.

Rick

Rick Spilman · February 7th, 2003, 03:46 PM

Ed,

Why did you choose the Panasonic? Was the ability to read DVCPRo important to you or was it just the best choice at the time?

Rick

Mike Rehmus · February 7th, 2003, 05:39 PM

DSR-20.

Absolutely reliable for the past almost 4 years. Does everything I ask.

Because it will run from 12 VDC, it is quite useful in the field.

Now of course the 20 has been replaced by the 25 with its LCD screen which I do covet a bit.

Edward Troxel · February 7th, 2003, 07:35 PM

I bought it 3 years ago. I don't know how many of the other models were available then but there, definitely, were not as many as today. There were not that many MiniDV players listed in the catalogs I acquired at that time and I wanted a good, heavy duty, unit. It has been.

To this point, I have only used it for MiniDV but it can definitely handle full size DV tapes as well. I leave it plugged into the computer all the time and use it for pass-thru for external monitor viewing and VHS taping. I can also use it to pass-thru the other direction as well (i.e. capturing a VHS tape via firewire).

For me, it has just worked. No particular reason for purchase other than it was what I found at the time that met my specifications. I have never regretted having this deck.

Chris Hurd · February 7th, 2003, 07:43 PM

A very common solution is to buy a cheap 1-CCD consumer DV camcorder like the Canon ZR40, and use it as a playback deck. Should be around $500 or less. This will be less expensive than an actual DV deck, which will cost around $1000 -- although our sponsor Pro-Tape has a JVC dual deck (Mini-DV and S-VHS) for $685 refurb, $885 new. See www.dvinfo.net/sponsors

Josh Bass · February 7th, 2003, 07:44 PM

This may seem stupid, but, when firewiring, does the "don't mix your tape brand" caveat still apply, or is that only when shooting?

December 2nd, 2002, 04:05 PM	#108
Dick Walton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Concord, MA Posts: 53	deck or B Cam On the hunch that you will probably do more, rather than less, video I give a nod to a deck. I've had a Sony DHR-1000 for several years and it's been a work horse. It wasn't cheap and I'm sure there are better decks for less money (see Ken's suggestions) on the market now. Running a tape back and forth in a deck a few times is a totally different experience than doing the same moves with a camera's transport. I suppose if you a relatively certain you won't be doing any follow up projects you could go with the B cam. FWIW __________________ D.Walton

February 7th, 2003, 09:28 AM	#109
Paul Young Tourist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 4	Do any of you use a DV Deck? Does anyone here use a DV deck for their NLE? If you do, what type do you use, and why did you choose that one over another? Thanks Paul

February 7th, 2003, 02:44 PM	#111
Adam Brennan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58	Not sure what I am looking for, but please read I am looking to transfer my DV footage to my computer and back. I don't want to use my Canon XL1 because I don't want to wear out parts on it. Is there like a Separate unit I can buy to do this? Or do I have to buy another DV camera? If I have to buy another DV camera, will the quailty of the picture degrade since I am using a lessor DV cam to transfer the footage? I would do a search on this subject, but not sure what to look for. Thanks in Adavance! I think I will make a small donation to this site for all this good info!

February 7th, 2003, 05:39 PM	#117
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	DSR-20. Absolutely reliable for the past almost 4 years. Does everything I ask. Because it will run from 12 VDC, it is quite useful in the field. Now of course the 20 has been replaced by the 25 with its LCD screen which I do covet a bit. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

February 7th, 2003, 07:43 PM	#119
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	A very common solution is to buy a cheap 1-CCD consumer DV camcorder like the Canon ZR40, and use it as a playback deck. Should be around $500 or less. This will be less expensive than an actual DV deck, which will cost around $1000 -- although our sponsor Pro-Tape has a JVC dual deck (Mini-DV and S-VHS) for $685 refurb, $885 new. See www.dvinfo.net/sponsors __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

December 2nd, 2002, 02:27 PM	#106
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you try a deck you will NEVER want to go back to using a camera. The decks are more robust and handle jogging and shuttling MUCH faster than a camera. Decks can also fast forward and rewind MUCH faster than any camera. Plus, the deck can stay connected to the computer and TV 100% of the time - no more connecting and disconnecting wires just to use a camera. Decks are GREAT. I am using a Panasonic AG-DV2000 which has performed tremendously for nearly 3 years.

December 2nd, 2002, 02:41 PM	#107
Keith Luken Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 200	I guess it is a matter of preference. The deck appears to have advantages, but I usually just copy in my video and do everything else ont he computer, then if I need to keep a DV master I output the master back to the cam. Then again I am a novice and only do simply shoot and editing, maybe in a year or so when I move up I will think about it, but by then I'll want a secodn GL2 to do multi-angle shoots!

February 7th, 2003, 10:53 AM	#110
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Absolutely. Have a Panasonic AG-DV2000 deck. It works GREAT.

February 7th, 2003, 03:29 PM	#112
Ryan Krga Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 116	I am not sure about an external device you can use thats not a Mini DV camera, but using a lower quality camera like a 1 chip will not degrade the quality of the image.

February 7th, 2003, 03:44 PM	#113
Rhett Allen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 607	You can use a DV deck such as the Sony DSR-11 or you could use another camera. There are many different decks out there that would work for this, the DSR-11 because of it's price, seems to be a favorite if you are using DV over firewire.

February 7th, 2003, 03:44 PM	#114
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Sony DSR-20...reliable, smooth transport action, DV or mini-DV

February 7th, 2003, 03:44 PM	#115
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	When the data is traveling over firewire it is all ones and zeros so it will not care how many chips the camera has or how good or bad the lens is. It doesn't lose anything in quality. You other alternative is to buy a DV deck which like cameras can vary wildly in price. Rick

February 7th, 2003, 03:46 PM	#116
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	Ed, Why did you choose the Panasonic? Was the ability to read DVCPRo important to you or was it just the best choice at the time? Rick

February 7th, 2003, 07:35 PM	#118
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I bought it 3 years ago. I don't know how many of the other models were available then but there, definitely, were not as many as today. There were not that many MiniDV players listed in the catalogs I acquired at that time and I wanted a good, heavy duty, unit. It has been. To this point, I have only used it for MiniDV but it can definitely handle full size DV tapes as well. I leave it plugged into the computer all the time and use it for pass-thru for external monitor viewing and VHS taping. I can also use it to pass-thru the other direction as well (i.e. capturing a VHS tape via firewire). For me, it has just worked. No particular reason for purchase other than it was what I found at the time that met my specifications. I have never regretted having this deck.

February 7th, 2003, 07:44 PM	#120
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	This may seem stupid, but, when firewiring, does the "don't mix your tape brand" caveat still apply, or is that only when shooting? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB