The Gigantic Mini DV Deck / Camcorder as Deck Thread

Joseph Ivey · September 13th, 2005, 12:48 PM

Why exactly would you need to monitor the audio coming from the deck? Wouldn't you just capture the audio and video and worry about it after you had it in FCP?

And Justin, I am not sure what you are asking as I am not well versed yet in audio tech. All I am wanting to do is find a deck that can allow me to capture the shot footage from my mini DV tapes so I don't have to wear out my camera quicker by shooting and capturing on it.

Justin Kohli · September 13th, 2005, 01:02 PM

About the audio interface... I have a workstation keyboard, it can sample (record) audio and save to compact-flash card or internal memory. So what I do presently is sample each track that I 'compose' individually, then transfer to my Powerbook. It's kind of a lengthy process. If I had an audio interface, each track could simply record straight-to-hard-drive and it would be a time saver.

I was wondering if this is what a video deck does.

Joseph Ivey · September 13th, 2005, 01:34 PM

Ok I see what you are saying. The type of deck I am looking for simply allows (FCP for me) the computer to capture the shot footage as it plays off of the deck as opposed to hooking your camera up to the computer via firewire. It is a simpler process because you are not taking up time using your camera and it is less wear on it as well.

Richard Alvarez · September 13th, 2005, 01:41 PM

DSR-11 is a solid workhorse for the money. Biggest weak point is the tiny little hinges on the door... so be careful with the door. Other than that, its solid with FCP or Avid. (I use one and cut on Avid, my partner uses one with his FCP system)

I use it to capture, and convert and as my 'monitor out' from firewire to the monitor for color correction. I run my DVD player and old Analogue VHS player through it for capture as well.

Joseph Ivey · September 13th, 2005, 01:54 PM

That is a good idea. I never thought to run a vcr and DVD player through there for capture.

C. Byrne · September 13th, 2005, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph Ivey

Why exactly would you need to monitor the audio coming from the deck? Wouldn't you just capture the audio and video and worry about it after you had it in FCP?

I use it when logging and capturing. I shoot commercials so I only capture the good takes (I never just capture the whole tape) so I need to hear it to know if it's a good take. For some reason (is it this way w/ everyone?) FCP doesn't let me monitor the audio through the computer when I'm logging. I know FCP doesn't give you audio when capturing, but does it usually when logging?

Joseph Ivey · September 13th, 2005, 03:27 PM

I hate to do this but any of you guys that have and XL2 and wouldn't mind checking out another post of mine, I would appreciate it. It is in the Canon XL-2 watchdog forum. So far I am having a lot of lookers but no one offering any response.

Chris Colin Swanson · September 13th, 2005, 03:51 PM

I just use a cheap mini dv camera that I keep at my computer to transfer video to my computer. I still go thru firewire but its always there and my main camera doesn't get the wear and tear.

Dan Euritt · September 13th, 2005, 04:09 PM

i agree, a cheap minidv camera with a firewire port is the way to go, you can get 'em for less than $300 these days.

Duncan Craig · September 13th, 2005, 05:52 PM

Another user here who uses a cheap camera as a deck...
But I'm looking for a large format tape player too.

What do you all think about the new JVC deck - BR-HD50

Large format, downconverts and HDV all in one?
Multi format HDMI and RS422.

Cost: Only 50% more than a DSR-11.

Anyone have any opinions on it?
Does it handle HDV 1080i in and out?

C. Byrne · September 14th, 2005, 08:59 AM

Using a cheap dv camera is definitely a cheaper option, but might not last as long, depensing on how much you use it. Also, be sure you get a camera that outputs the same audio rate that you record on (if you record 16 bit 48k, some cheaper models won't have that audio rate as an option).

Guy Cochran · September 22nd, 2005, 08:34 AM

Good advice from everyone here.

The DSR-11 is my recommendation as it is rock solid with FCP and has a robust transport.

I would not recommend a deck for anyone who is not capturing more than a few hours per week. Go with an inexpensive camera. You can always use that second camera to record B-roll or audio in a pinch.

One of the biggest benefits of a deck is how fast it rewinds and fast forwards. You can get around on a tape much, much quicker with a deck.

Now if you're doing more that a few hours of capture/playback per week, also look at the DSR-25. It offers a few things overs the DSR-11. Timecode display on the front readout. VU Meters and a tiny LCD preview monitor.

If you're doing a lot of analog, I love the fact that you can use the 184minute DVcam tapes to copy to. This is huge for archiving your old tapes. Since you can record in either DV or DVcam mode, you can actually get 4.5 hours out of a 3 hour(184minute) tape.

The JVC models starting with "B" in the name are professional and work great with FCP. I would not recommend any of the consumer models as too many people have had "issues." The Panasonics seem to work great too. But, in my opinion, I would always go with the Sony based on owning and using them as well as hearing others comments.

Hope this helps,

Otto Bartsch · October 2nd, 2005, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. Byrne

For some reason (is it this way w/ everyone?) FCP doesn't let me monitor the audio through the computer when I'm logging. I know FCP doesn't give you audio when capturing, but does it usually when logging?

It is a preference. I am currently in FCP 5, but I know it is in HD, too. On FCP 5, in the clip settings tab there is a checkbox to monitor the audio. In HD, I think it is in one of the preference panes. I'll try to get on a copy of HD to check which one, but it is definitely possible to monitor the audio while logging. In fact, when I was still using HD, I had a custom capture preset that I called "NTSC Audio off" that would mute the audio on capture (since I wanted it on for logging).

Zach Mull · October 3rd, 2005, 12:24 AM

To monitor audio through the computer while logging in 4.5, open your capture preset, click the "Advanced" button under QuickTime Audio Settings and turn the speaker on. I learned this in 3, so I'm sure it works there as well.

Joseph Ivey · October 3rd, 2005, 08:24 AM

What are the thoughts on getting a Firestore instead of a deck and use tapes as an archive? I know there is a forum for firestore but I figured I could ask you guys who have decks as opposed to those who will surely say Firestore is the way to go.

September 13th, 2005, 01:02 PM	#437
Justin Kohli Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Appleton, WI, USA Posts: 77	About the audio interface... I have a workstation keyboard, it can sample (record) audio and save to compact-flash card or internal memory. So what I do presently is sample each track that I 'compose' individually, then transfer to my Powerbook. It's kind of a lengthy process. If I had an audio interface, each track could simply record straight-to-hard-drive and it would be a time saver. I was wondering if this is what a video deck does. __________________ Album Journal: http://carbonflaw.blogspot.com DV Blog: http://24-fps.blogspot.com Music & Media Label: phait-accompli.com Thoughts & Philosophies: http://jkohli.blogspot.com "The most important thing is to enjoy life, to be happy, that's all that matters." --Audrey Hepburn

September 14th, 2005, 08:59 AM	#446
C. Byrne Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 65	Using a cheap dv camera is definitely a cheaper option, but might not last as long, depensing on how much you use it. Also, be sure you get a camera that outputs the same audio rate that you record on (if you record 16 bit 48k, some cheaper models won't have that audio rate as an option). __________________ www.axiomadvertising.com

September 22nd, 2005, 08:34 AM	#447
Guy Cochran DVCreators.Net Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 892	Good advice from everyone here. The DSR-11 is my recommendation as it is rock solid with FCP and has a robust transport. I would not recommend a deck for anyone who is not capturing more than a few hours per week. Go with an inexpensive camera. You can always use that second camera to record B-roll or audio in a pinch. One of the biggest benefits of a deck is how fast it rewinds and fast forwards. You can get around on a tape much, much quicker with a deck. Now if you're doing more that a few hours of capture/playback per week, also look at the DSR-25. It offers a few things overs the DSR-11. Timecode display on the front readout. VU Meters and a tiny LCD preview monitor. If you're doing a lot of analog, I love the fact that you can use the 184minute DVcam tapes to copy to. This is huge for archiving your old tapes. Since you can record in either DV or DVcam mode, you can actually get 4.5 hours out of a 3 hour(184minute) tape. The JVC models starting with "B" in the name are professional and work great with FCP. I would not recommend any of the consumer models as too many people have had "issues." The Panasonics seem to work great too. But, in my opinion, I would always go with the Sony based on owning and using them as well as hearing others comments. Hope this helps, __________________ Guy Cochran DVinfo Sponsor, Cool Gear - DVeStore!

September 13th, 2005, 12:48 PM	#436
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	Why exactly would you need to monitor the audio coming from the deck? Wouldn't you just capture the audio and video and worry about it after you had it in FCP? And Justin, I am not sure what you are asking as I am not well versed yet in audio tech. All I am wanting to do is find a deck that can allow me to capture the shot footage from my mini DV tapes so I don't have to wear out my camera quicker by shooting and capturing on it.

September 13th, 2005, 01:34 PM	#438
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	Ok I see what you are saying. The type of deck I am looking for simply allows (FCP for me) the computer to capture the shot footage as it plays off of the deck as opposed to hooking your camera up to the computer via firewire. It is a simpler process because you are not taking up time using your camera and it is less wear on it as well.

September 13th, 2005, 01:41 PM	#439
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	DSR-11 is a solid workhorse for the money. Biggest weak point is the tiny little hinges on the door... so be careful with the door. Other than that, its solid with FCP or Avid. (I use one and cut on Avid, my partner uses one with his FCP system) I use it to capture, and convert and as my 'monitor out' from firewire to the monitor for color correction. I run my DVD player and old Analogue VHS player through it for capture as well.

September 13th, 2005, 01:54 PM	#440
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	That is a good idea. I never thought to run a vcr and DVD player through there for capture.

September 13th, 2005, 03:27 PM	#442
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	I hate to do this but any of you guys that have and XL2 and wouldn't mind checking out another post of mine, I would appreciate it. It is in the Canon XL-2 watchdog forum. So far I am having a lot of lookers but no one offering any response.

September 13th, 2005, 03:51 PM	#443
Chris Colin Swanson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 76	I just use a cheap mini dv camera that I keep at my computer to transfer video to my computer. I still go thru firewire but its always there and my main camera doesn't get the wear and tear.

September 13th, 2005, 04:09 PM	#444
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	i agree, a cheap minidv camera with a firewire port is the way to go, you can get 'em for less than $300 these days.

September 13th, 2005, 05:52 PM	#445
Duncan Craig Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 660 Images: 10	Another user here who uses a cheap camera as a deck... But I'm looking for a large format tape player too. What do you all think about the new JVC deck - BR-HD50 Large format, downconverts and HDV all in one? Multi format HDMI and RS422. Cost: Only 50% more than a DSR-11. Anyone have any opinions on it? Does it handle HDV 1080i in and out?

October 3rd, 2005, 12:24 AM	#449
Zach Mull Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 273	To monitor audio through the computer while logging in 4.5, open your capture preset, click the "Advanced" button under QuickTime Audio Settings and turn the speaker on. I learned this in 3, so I'm sure it works there as well.

October 3rd, 2005, 08:24 AM	#450
Joseph Ivey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 89	What are the thoughts on getting a Firestore instead of a deck and use tapes as an archive? I know there is a forum for firestore but I figured I could ask you guys who have decks as opposed to those who will surely say Firestore is the way to go.