The Gigantic Mini DV Deck / Camcorder as Deck Thread

Jason Brooks · February 5th, 2004, 09:46 AM

O.K. I did another search on the JVC GR-D30 instead of the 30u and found a few more threads. I guess the cameras are similar. I would still like to know what the most popular unit is for transfer.

Todd Moen · February 25th, 2004, 04:00 PM

Hello,
I have a PD150 and don't really want to use it as the deck to import all my footage into the NLE. I was wondering if Sony make a small DVCAM deck that I can use for importing all my footage. If not, would a Mini DV deck work for my DVCAM tapes, that is if they make one? Thanks so much for your help,
Todd

Alex Ratson · February 25th, 2004, 10:49 PM

Check out the Sony DSR-11. It is a small DVCAM deck along with being Sony’s cheapest desktop system.

Tyler Gred · February 27th, 2004, 11:17 AM

I got the DVX-100A and I do not want to use that camera as my deck. Can anyone recommend me a good camera that is cheap and will work well for my purpose? Thanks.

Bryan Roberts · February 27th, 2004, 12:43 PM

Any cam will work as long as it's dependable- the signal will be the same when transferring it through firewire between a cheapo DV cam to a pro cam. I personally have a DVX100a and I use my old Panasonic DV852 which was a great cam a year ago and still is today. They discontinued the model but BHPHOTO still has it brand new for like 400 bucks or so. I'd reccomend it.

Alex Dunn · February 27th, 2004, 03:27 PM

Everyone recomends doing this it seems, but I wonder if it costs more than $500 to replace the worn out parts in your DVX? It seems that if it's only like $300 or so to send it to the manufacturer for repair, you save money by doing so. Anybody know what this repair costs on a Pany and Canon?

If I'm going to buy a separate drive, I'll spend $1100 on the JVC dual miniDV and S-VHS deck.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · February 27th, 2004, 03:30 PM

Replacing the tape mechanism in my Canon XL1 cost me a little bit more than 1000$.

Alex Dunn · February 27th, 2004, 03:32 PM

Daaaang! Yeah, I'm buying the JVC deck.

Bryan Roberts · February 27th, 2004, 03:33 PM

I think it's more of the inconvenience of sending the cam off that really turns me off. I bought the 4 year mack camera warranty as well but I only have one DVX100a and no backups other than my DV852 which won't really cut it any more. I want to keep the DVX by my side for as long as possible before having to send it off for head maintenance etc., but maybe that's just me. Unless you plan on doing an extensive amount of rewinding etc. of your DV tapes (just get a DV tape rewinder), I could never justify buying a seperate deck for around a G, unless I was in a professional environment, which I'm not. If my tape mechanism ever did go out and I was about to face a $1,000 replacement or repair fee, I'd just get a Quick Stream or other Hard Drive based system and say goodbye to tapes forever. It's the future of our cameras anyways..... Just MO.

Alex Dunn · February 27th, 2004, 03:37 PM

Sure, but it seems like a waste of a whole extra camera to spend $400-500 on a little dvdeck with no "deck" features.

I'm just saying, if your willing to spend $500, you should probably wait a little while and spend twice that on a real deck rather than waste it on a little camera you'll never use.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · February 27th, 2004, 03:43 PM

I like the idea of using a little camera as a deck. First, it is less expensive, second, it can record images!!! :) Those littles cameras can serve you well on vacations, travel or even on an ocasionnal 2 cameras shot.

Glenn Chan · February 27th, 2004, 03:55 PM

some advantages I can come up with:
A- rewinds and fast forwards faster (good for batch capture)
B- may have more inputs and outputs, and can convert analog-digital
C- tape mechanism lasts longer
D- better quality electronics for converting analog-digital

For most people I don't think any of those advantages really help. A can save time, but most people capture the whole tape in one shot and don't sit around while a deck is batch capturing. B/D isn't necessary (your camera can do the job fine). C is the major reason for buying a deck, but really only applies to people who shoot hundreds of hours of footage. If you manage to wear out a $300 consumer camera (off eBay or whatever), then you've probably made a lot of money and didn't lose much money on the camera (I figure $200 versus buying a deck in the first place). In the opposite scenario, you've spend a bundle of cash on a deck and didn't use it enough to justify buying it (lost $500 or so). Not to mention a cheapo camera is good for family videos (not huge like 3CCD cameras).

Maybe I'm wrong?

Daniel Kohl · February 27th, 2004, 04:13 PM

I agree with Glenn.

My DCR-TRV900 has served me very well. Has analog in and out.

Steve LaClair · February 28th, 2004, 10:34 PM

Yeah i'm also in the market for a cheap 1 chip to use as a vcr because i don't feel like ruining my 2100 just yet. just a stupid question though. even though they all say they have a ieee 1394 interface does that mean they also haev dv in capabilities or just dv out?

Tyler Gred · February 28th, 2004, 11:27 PM

I might be wrong but I thought IEEE 1394 is both in/out. Not sure though...

February 25th, 2004, 04:00 PM	#242
Todd Moen Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bozeman MT Posts: 51	Small DVCAM Deck ? Hello, I have a PD150 and don't really want to use it as the deck to import all my footage into the NLE. I was wondering if Sony make a small DVCAM deck that I can use for importing all my footage. If not, would a Mini DV deck work for my DVCAM tapes, that is if they make one? Thanks so much for your help, Todd

February 27th, 2004, 11:17 AM	#244
Tyler Gred New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19	Recommend me a Mini DV camera to use as a deck... I got the DVX-100A and I do not want to use that camera as my deck. Can anyone recommend me a good camera that is cheap and will work well for my purpose? Thanks.

February 27th, 2004, 03:30 PM	#247
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Replacing the tape mechanism in my Canon XL1 cost me a little bit more than 1000$. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

February 27th, 2004, 03:43 PM	#251
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	I like the idea of using a little camera as a deck. First, it is less expensive, second, it can record images!!! :) Those littles cameras can serve you well on vacations, travel or even on an ocasionnal 2 cameras shot. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

February 27th, 2004, 04:13 PM	#253
Daniel Kohl Contributor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 571	I agree with Glenn. My DCR-TRV900 has served me very well. Has analog in and out. __________________ Daniel Kohl Frankenstein meets XL1

February 5th, 2004, 09:46 AM	#241
Jason Brooks New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 14	O.K. I did another search on the JVC GR-D30 instead of the 30u and found a few more threads. I guess the cameras are similar. I would still like to know what the most popular unit is for transfer.

February 25th, 2004, 10:49 PM	#243
Alex Ratson Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Squamish, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 149	Check out the Sony DSR-11. It is a small DVCAM deck along with being Sony’s cheapest desktop system.

February 27th, 2004, 12:43 PM	#245
Bryan Roberts Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 436	Any cam will work as long as it's dependable- the signal will be the same when transferring it through firewire between a cheapo DV cam to a pro cam. I personally have a DVX100a and I use my old Panasonic DV852 which was a great cam a year ago and still is today. They discontinued the model but BHPHOTO still has it brand new for like 400 bucks or so. I'd reccomend it.

February 27th, 2004, 03:27 PM	#246
Alex Dunn Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 202	Everyone recomends doing this it seems, but I wonder if it costs more than $500 to replace the worn out parts in your DVX? It seems that if it's only like $300 or so to send it to the manufacturer for repair, you save money by doing so. Anybody know what this repair costs on a Pany and Canon? If I'm going to buy a separate drive, I'll spend $1100 on the JVC dual miniDV and S-VHS deck.

February 27th, 2004, 03:32 PM	#248
Alex Dunn Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 202	Daaaang! Yeah, I'm buying the JVC deck.

February 27th, 2004, 03:33 PM	#249
Bryan Roberts Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 436	I think it's more of the inconvenience of sending the cam off that really turns me off. I bought the 4 year mack camera warranty as well but I only have one DVX100a and no backups other than my DV852 which won't really cut it any more. I want to keep the DVX by my side for as long as possible before having to send it off for head maintenance etc., but maybe that's just me. Unless you plan on doing an extensive amount of rewinding etc. of your DV tapes (just get a DV tape rewinder), I could never justify buying a seperate deck for around a G, unless I was in a professional environment, which I'm not. If my tape mechanism ever did go out and I was about to face a $1,000 replacement or repair fee, I'd just get a Quick Stream or other Hard Drive based system and say goodbye to tapes forever. It's the future of our cameras anyways..... Just MO.

February 27th, 2004, 03:37 PM	#250
Alex Dunn Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 202	Sure, but it seems like a waste of a whole extra camera to spend $400-500 on a little dvdeck with no "deck" features. I'm just saying, if your willing to spend $500, you should probably wait a little while and spend twice that on a real deck rather than waste it on a little camera you'll never use.

February 27th, 2004, 03:55 PM	#252
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	some advantages I can come up with: A- rewinds and fast forwards faster (good for batch capture) B- may have more inputs and outputs, and can convert analog-digital C- tape mechanism lasts longer D- better quality electronics for converting analog-digital For most people I don't think any of those advantages really help. A can save time, but most people capture the whole tape in one shot and don't sit around while a deck is batch capturing. B/D isn't necessary (your camera can do the job fine). C is the major reason for buying a deck, but really only applies to people who shoot hundreds of hours of footage. If you manage to wear out a $300 consumer camera (off eBay or whatever), then you've probably made a lot of money and didn't lose much money on the camera (I figure $200 versus buying a deck in the first place). In the opposite scenario, you've spend a bundle of cash on a deck and didn't use it enough to justify buying it (lost $500 or so). Not to mention a cheapo camera is good for family videos (not huge like 3CCD cameras). Maybe I'm wrong?

February 28th, 2004, 10:34 PM	#254
Steve LaClair Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fayetteville, North Carolina/ Upstate NY Posts: 40	Yeah i'm also in the market for a cheap 1 chip to use as a vcr because i don't feel like ruining my 2100 just yet. just a stupid question though. even though they all say they have a ieee 1394 interface does that mean they also haev dv in capabilities or just dv out?

February 28th, 2004, 11:27 PM	#255
Tyler Gred New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 19	I might be wrong but I thought IEEE 1394 is both in/out. Not sure though...