Current Pany minidv tape line at DVinfo.net

Tsu Terao · May 4th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Can anyone offer first-hand opinions comparing the current Panasonic tapes?

- AY-HDVM63AMQ - $6.49
- AY-DV63PQUS - $3.35
- AY-DVM63PQ - $2.89

Are the price differences justified? I'm interested in dropout performance. (Note: prices are current B&H).

Bill Pryor · May 4th, 2009, 07:09 PM

I used the AMQ tapes when I first got my XH A1. The first 6 or 8 were fine. But then I started having serious dropout problems. A colleague and I did a shoot and he bought two cases of the AMQs and we had horrible dropouts in 5 or 6 tapes out of 20, with two different cameras. So I gave away the rest of mine and went to the much more expensive Sony PHDVM 63 Digital Mastering tapes and have not seen a single dropout in around 50 hours of tapes. You'll find some people who say they use AMQs with no trouble, and I was one of those...until the trouble started.

John Peterson · May 5th, 2009, 05:58 PM

I use PQ tapes all the time for my VX2000. Switched from MQ which due to the dry lubricant caused me to have to do more frequent head cleanings. PQ uses a wet lubricant. Don't mix them and use the cleaning cassette from the tape manufacturer and not the camera manufacturer. Formulation matches better for tape compound you are trying to clean off.

John

Laurence Spiegel · May 5th, 2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Peterson

I use PQ tapes all the time for my VX2000. Switched from MQ which due to the dry lubricant caused me to have to do more frequent head cleanings. PQ uses a wet lubricant. Don't mix them and use the cleaning cassette from the tape manufacturer and not the camera manufacturer. Formulation matches better for tape compound you are trying to clean off.

John

Waitaminit.

Supposedly, at least from vendor and Pana info

i) all Panny tapes are compatible with each other / there is no incompatible tape lube between their tape
ii) PQ and MQ use the same lube.

I just got a case of PQ after using only MQ, since MQ was no longer available. Haven't used the PQ yet but I certainly hope there are no such issues. Perhaps there was a bad batch of Panasonic tape a while back?

Don Bloom · May 6th, 2009, 04:54 AM

been using the PQs for, gosh, since 02!? I can't remember but a whole lot of tapes-63s and even 83s as well. Seems like over the last 3 years or so that out of 50 tapes there are 2 or 3 that cause a problem. Luckily it hasn't been a major problem but it keeps me thinking.
I have *heard* that the PQUS is the replacement for the PQs but who knows. Overall, I really like the PQs.
Just to be honest though,
I have never used the MQs

John Peterson · May 6th, 2009, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurence Spiegel

Waitaminit.

Supposedly, at least from vendor and Pana info

i) all Panny tapes are compatible with each other / there is no incompatible tape lube between their tape
ii) PQ and MQ use the same lube.

I just got a case of PQ after using only MQ, since MQ was no longer available. Haven't used the PQ yet but I certainly hope there are no such issues. Perhaps there was a bad batch of Panasonic tape a while back?

The information came from Panasonic rep Jan Crittenden several years ago on the 2 Pop forums. Maybe they have since changed the formulation. As a precaution I would use a Panasonic tape cleaning cassette first before you switch.

John

Laurence Spiegel · May 6th, 2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Peterson

The information came from Panasonic rep Jan Crittenden several years ago on the 2 Pop forums. Maybe they have since changed the formulation. As a precaution I would use a Panasonic tape cleaning cassette first before you switch.

John

So can one still find MQ? AMQ seems to be overpriced, and has no advantage that I can see over MQ for SD recording. I'd rather not have to worry about 'now what tape was just is there... do I need to run the cleaning tape again'. Cleaning tape is somewhat abrasive, so I'd prefer to run it less rather than more.

John Peterson · May 7th, 2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurence Spiegel

So can one still find MQ? AMQ seems to be overpriced, and has no advantage that I can see over MQ for SD recording. I'd rather not have to worry about 'now what tape was just is there... do I need to run the cleaning tape again'. Cleaning tape is somewhat abrasive, so I'd prefer to run it less rather than more.

Whenever you switch tapes you should clean. Since I don't switch tapes (I always use PQ) I rarely have to clean. In terms of a supplier that has all the Panasonic tape including MQ, I use this vendor:

PANASONIC AYDVM63PQ 63 MINUTE MINIDV TAPES

John

Tsu Terao · May 15th, 2009, 05:25 PM

- AY-DV63PQUS - $3.35
- AY-DVM63PQ - $2.89

I just received the AY-DV63PQUS, and they are the same as the PQ. Same shell, same plastic storage container - the only difference is the shrink wrap on each cassette.

John Stakes · May 17th, 2009, 09:49 PM

I switch from PQs to AMQs all the time. Been shooting since 2007 and only used the cleaning cassette twice. They may use different lubricants, but they are both dry.

I haven't used the "new" AMQs yet, the ones that come in the huge case. But I have gig on Wednesday so I'm placing an order. Should be interesting to see what gets shipped when ordering 20pcs.

OH, and as far as dropouts. Had 3 in my lifetime. And I'm 80% sure at least one of them was actually a capture issue.

JS

John Peterson · June 18th, 2009, 06:29 PM

Placed an order for PQ tapes and received PQUS instead. Supposedly replaces PQ.
Shrink wrap is different - tape shell looks the same after you open it AND on the tape itself it says AY-DVM83PQ not PQUS. Go figure.

John

May 4th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#1
Tsu Terao Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Monterey Bay area, CA Posts: 82	Current Pany minidv tape line Can anyone offer first-hand opinions comparing the current Panasonic tapes? - AY-HDVM63AMQ - $6.49 - AY-DV63PQUS - $3.35 - AY-DVM63PQ - $2.89 Are the price differences justified? I'm interested in dropout performance. (Note: prices are current B&H).

May 6th, 2009, 04:54 AM	#5
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	been using the PQs for, gosh, since 02!? I can't remember but a whole lot of tapes-63s and even 83s as well. Seems like over the last 3 years or so that out of 50 tapes there are 2 or 3 that cause a problem. Luckily it hasn't been a major problem but it keeps me thinking. I have heard that the PQUS is the replacement for the PQs but who knows. Overall, I really like the PQs. Just to be honest though, I have never used the MQs __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

May 4th, 2009, 07:09 PM	#2
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I used the AMQ tapes when I first got my XH A1. The first 6 or 8 were fine. But then I started having serious dropout problems. A colleague and I did a shoot and he bought two cases of the AMQs and we had horrible dropouts in 5 or 6 tapes out of 20, with two different cameras. So I gave away the rest of mine and went to the much more expensive Sony PHDVM 63 Digital Mastering tapes and have not seen a single dropout in around 50 hours of tapes. You'll find some people who say they use AMQs with no trouble, and I was one of those...until the trouble started.

May 5th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#3
John Peterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Monroe, NY Posts: 703	I use PQ tapes all the time for my VX2000. Switched from MQ which due to the dry lubricant caused me to have to do more frequent head cleanings. PQ uses a wet lubricant. Don't mix them and use the cleaning cassette from the tape manufacturer and not the camera manufacturer. Formulation matches better for tape compound you are trying to clean off. John

May 15th, 2009, 05:25 PM	#9
Tsu Terao Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Monterey Bay area, CA Posts: 82	- AY-DV63PQUS - $3.35 - AY-DVM63PQ - $2.89 I just received the AY-DV63PQUS, and they are the same as the PQ. Same shell, same plastic storage container - the only difference is the shrink wrap on each cassette.

May 17th, 2009, 09:49 PM	#10
John Stakes Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 558	I switch from PQs to AMQs all the time. Been shooting since 2007 and only used the cleaning cassette twice. They may use different lubricants, but they are both dry. I haven't used the "new" AMQs yet, the ones that come in the huge case. But I have gig on Wednesday so I'm placing an order. Should be interesting to see what gets shipped when ordering 20pcs. OH, and as far as dropouts. Had 3 in my lifetime. And I'm 80% sure at least one of them was actually a capture issue. JS

June 18th, 2009, 06:29 PM	#11
John Peterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Monroe, NY Posts: 703	Placed an order for PQ tapes and received PQUS instead. Supposedly replaces PQ. Shrink wrap is different - tape shell looks the same after you open it AND on the tape itself it says AY-DVM83PQ not PQUS. Go figure. John