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Stephen Sobel · November 10th, 2003, 05:31 PM

I have a Canon GL2 camcorder, and I use Sony MiniDV tapes. I need to clean the heads. Should I use Sony head cleaner, since that is the brand of tape I use? Or use Canon head cleaner, since that is the brand of camcorder?

Frank Granovski · November 10th, 2003, 05:43 PM

I don't think this matters. Are you using wet Sony tapes? If that's the case, perhaps go with the Sony cleaner.

Jeff Donald · November 10th, 2003, 06:09 PM

This recent thread in the Sony forum may help. No manufacture says you can only use their brand cleaning tapes.

Miquel de Pablo · November 16th, 2003, 03:15 PM

I also have a GL2, and I've been using Fuji tapes, but will have to switch to something else soon (unless I can find Fuji tapes in Spain, where I'll be). The canon cleaner is $25 at Amazon, and a Sony cleaner is about $13 at B&H. Why should there be such a price diffference if they are all about equal in quality? By the way, if anyone knows where I can find Fuji tapes in Spain, please let me know too!

Thanks.

Ken Tanaka · November 16th, 2003, 05:10 PM

To the best of my knowledge, Canon does not manufacture any tape products whatsoever. They have an OEM arrangement with other manufacturers (Panasonic, for example) in which Canon marks-up and resells these products.

Sony does manufacture their own tape products.

So that may explain most of the price difference.

Frank Granovski · November 16th, 2003, 08:59 PM

I have this Panasonic miniDV head cleaner. On the wrapper it says "dry." On the cassette, it's says "hard type." On my Canon cleaner, it simply says, "head cleaning cassette DVM-CL."

I spent a few hours searching for miniDV info on the various brand sites. Two things I discovered:

* very selection with their information
* next to nothing in way of information

My conclusion is that they all have something to hide. (Now what would that be?) Gumming, screwed-up video, damaged heads---all due to their different tape formulas?

Federico Dib · November 16th, 2003, 09:05 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Miquel de Pablo : I also have a GL2, and I've been using Fuji tapes, but will have to switch to something else soon (unless I can find Fuji tapes in Spain, where I'll be). The canon cleaner is $25 at Amazon, and a Sony cleaner is about $13 at B&H. Why should there be such a price diffference if they are all about equal in quality? By the way, if anyone knows where I can find Fuji tapes in Spain, please let me know too!

Thanks. -->>>

You can find Fuji tapes in Spain, although they are not available everywhere. Here in Barcelona the only brand I seem to find everywhere are Sony, and TDK.
I was going to use Fuji with my XM2, but although I know where to find Fuji I decided to go with Sony. You never know when you´ll need to buy a last minute tape on a gas station.

If you are coming to Barcelona I can tell you where to find fuji or anything else...

Jeff Donald · November 16th, 2003, 09:05 PM

Search my posts about wet and dry cleaning tapes. It does not refer to the type lubricant the mini DV tape uses. It refers to wet or dry cleaning methods. To the best of my knowledge all mini DV cleaning tapes use the dry method i.e. no liquid is applied to the tape before use.

Frank Granovski · November 16th, 2003, 09:31 PM

I'm not inferring that 1 cleaning tape is liquid and another is not. But some tapes use a dry lubricant while others use a "wet." And I was curious if this extends to miniDV cleaning tapes as well. :)

Jeff Donald · November 16th, 2003, 10:06 PM

The reference on the cleaning tape wrapper to dry is not to the lubricant but to the fact that it does not use a liquid cleaning agent. I talked to a Maxell company rep. at a recent trade show and he knew nothing about various grades or types of cleaning tapes. Maxell claims they make their own cleaning tapes. He also stated that he knew of only one other Japanese cleaning tape manufacture. The rest he claimed where made in China and could be of suspect quality.

Frank Granovski · November 16th, 2003, 11:12 PM

Quote:

The rest he claimed where made in China and could be of suspect quality.

Company reps used to say this about Japanese products when I was a kid.

Steven Salmon · November 17th, 2003, 03:09 AM

How often do you folks suggest cleaning the heads?

Frank Granovski · November 17th, 2003, 03:16 AM

When your heads are dirty (gummed). Why wear down your heads if you don't have too? I haven't cleaned my heads for years since I switched to Fuji.

November 10th, 2003, 05:31 PM	#1
Stephen Sobel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 408	Head cleaning I have a Canon GL2 camcorder, and I use Sony MiniDV tapes. I need to clean the heads. Should I use Sony head cleaner, since that is the brand of tape I use? Or use Canon head cleaner, since that is the brand of camcorder?

November 10th, 2003, 06:09 PM	#3
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	This recent thread in the Sony forum may help. No manufacture says you can only use their brand cleaning tapes. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 16th, 2003, 05:10 PM	#5
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November 16th, 2003, 09:05 PM	#7
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	<<<-- Originally posted by Miquel de Pablo : I also have a GL2, and I've been using Fuji tapes, but will have to switch to something else soon (unless I can find Fuji tapes in Spain, where I'll be). The canon cleaner is $25 at Amazon, and a Sony cleaner is about $13 at B&H. Why should there be such a price diffference if they are all about equal in quality? By the way, if anyone knows where I can find Fuji tapes in Spain, please let me know too! Thanks. -->>> You can find Fuji tapes in Spain, although they are not available everywhere. Here in Barcelona the only brand I seem to find everywhere are Sony, and TDK. I was going to use Fuji with my XM2, but although I know where to find Fuji I decided to go with Sony. You never know when you´ll need to buy a last minute tape on a gas station. If you are coming to Barcelona I can tell you where to find fuji or anything else... __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

November 16th, 2003, 09:05 PM	#8
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Search my posts about wet and dry cleaning tapes. It does not refer to the type lubricant the mini DV tape uses. It refers to wet or dry cleaning methods. To the best of my knowledge all mini DV cleaning tapes use the dry method i.e. no liquid is applied to the tape before use. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 10th, 2003, 05:43 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I don't think this matters. Are you using wet Sony tapes? If that's the case, perhaps go with the Sony cleaner.

November 16th, 2003, 03:15 PM	#4
Miquel de Pablo New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 23	I also have a GL2, and I've been using Fuji tapes, but will have to switch to something else soon (unless I can find Fuji tapes in Spain, where I'll be). The canon cleaner is $25 at Amazon, and a Sony cleaner is about $13 at B&H. Why should there be such a price diffference if they are all about equal in quality? By the way, if anyone knows where I can find Fuji tapes in Spain, please let me know too! Thanks.

November 16th, 2003, 08:59 PM	#6
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I have this Panasonic miniDV head cleaner. On the wrapper it says "dry." On the cassette, it's says "hard type." On my Canon cleaner, it simply says, "head cleaning cassette DVM-CL." I spent a few hours searching for miniDV info on the various brand sites. Two things I discovered: * very selection with their information * next to nothing in way of information My conclusion is that they all have something to hide. (Now what would that be?) Gumming, screwed-up video, damaged heads---all due to their different tape formulas?

November 16th, 2003, 09:31 PM	#9
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I'm not inferring that 1 cleaning tape is liquid and another is not. But some tapes use a dry lubricant while others use a "wet." And I was curious if this extends to miniDV cleaning tapes as well. :)

November 16th, 2003, 10:06 PM	#10
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The reference on the cleaning tape wrapper to dry is not to the lubricant but to the fact that it does not use a liquid cleaning agent. I talked to a Maxell company rep. at a recent trade show and he knew nothing about various grades or types of cleaning tapes. Maxell claims they make their own cleaning tapes. He also stated that he knew of only one other Japanese cleaning tape manufacture. The rest he claimed where made in China and could be of suspect quality. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 17th, 2003, 03:09 AM	#12
Steven Salmon Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southampton, UK Posts: 47	How often do you folks suggest cleaning the heads?

November 17th, 2003, 03:16 AM	#13
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	When your heads are dirty (gummed). Why wear down your heads if you don't have too? I haven't cleaned my heads for years since I switched to Fuji.