DV Tape Rewinder

J. Stephen McDonald · April 6th, 2005, 01:53 AM

We tossed the subject of a good mini-DV tape rewinder around thoroughly last year. I and several others got a Sima SRW62. It works very well and has never damaged my tapes. It has a smart sensor that slows it and keeps it from crashing against the end of a tape. It can be used with a plug-in DC adaptor, but I always run mine on batteries for convenience and portability. It cost about $40. and is small enough to fit into a pants pocket.

Chris Scharff · September 26th, 2005, 12:39 AM

Greetings,
I know this has been discussed before but I just wanted to see if anyone has the following or what pros/cons they can give me, both of these being under $30 (with s/h).
Lenmar - MDV66
Maxell - MDVRW1
I will be using another MiniDV camcorder for transfers and I usually don't use the same tape more than a few times, I guess narrowing my chances of ruining a tape in one of these. Thanks for feedback.

James Emory · September 26th, 2005, 06:27 AM

First of all, these units, DV or VHS, are made quite simply but quite ingeniously as well. The way these rewinders automatically stop, at least the VHS models, is by self ejection due to the jerk of the tape stopping and triggering a spring loaded latch that is activated when you close the door. It's like a trap but in reverse. I haven't used one for DV but have for VHS countless times. I would just make sure that it has something called soft eject to prevent it snapping the tape from an abrupt stop. That's why most decks slow down within a minute or two from reaching the leader when rewinding. The only issue I had with the VHS model was that the latch was too secure so the tape would not eject when it was done. The unit would just sit there and whine while the rubber belt continued to spin around the pulley gears. The worst that could happen is that the belt would disintegrate and break before the tape broke but the motor could be damaged as well. I fixed that problem by opening the unit and filing down the plastic latch just enough to make the mechanism more sensitive. The good news is that it ejects every time now but it sometimes stops too early with about 5 minutes of tape left because the vibration from the spools jars the latch. It's better than burning up the motor though. What can we expect for $20? If I got one, it would have to be bi directional because I like to spin (shuttle, cycle, stir) my new tapes before using them and don't like using a camera or deck to do it. If you get one, let us know how it works.

Mike Teutsch · September 26th, 2005, 06:51 AM

Chris,

I have the Maxell unit. It works fine but I really don't use it that much, so can't comment on durability. Seems I'm only puting about 10 or 15 minutes on a tape and end up just rewinding in my deck.

One thing I did to save problems is to attach it to the top of my computer with velcro. They are so light, only a few ounces, that they move all over when you try to put in a tape or hit a button. Just velcro it down!

I hope that this helps.

Mike

David Hurdon · September 26th, 2005, 08:58 AM

I use a Maxell MDV/RW1, have for several years. I have read the warnings about these units snapping tape but in many, many hours of use I have never had a problem. And for a few bucks, all those hours aren't on my VX2000.

David Hurdon

Mike Teutsch · September 26th, 2005, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hurdon

I use a Maxell MDV/RW1, have for several years. I have read the warnings about these units snapping tape but in many, many hours of use I have never had a problem. And for a few bucks, all those hours aren't on my VX2000.

David Hurdon

The problem with snapping tapes mainly comes from the weight of the rotating mass, the big spool, when they stop suddenly. On these little DV tapes, however, that mass is so small it probably would rarely if ever cause a break in a tape. Also, the rubber drive belts are so small and loose, that I doubt they could ever break a tape.

Mike

Sean Hansen · September 26th, 2005, 01:26 PM

I've been using the Maxell for over 2 yrs. Never once snapped a tape. Good little unit to have around.

Dale Guthormsen · September 26th, 2005, 03:28 PM

I have had one for awhile and i use it daily, never a problem yet.

Can you get one for a standard high 8 tape too???

Gus

James Emory · September 26th, 2005, 03:32 PM

Yep. As you'll see, a couple of the DV units are identical in design as different brands and way different in cost for the same unit.

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Shawn Redford · October 17th, 2005, 11:33 PM

Quote:

As you'll see, a couple of the DV units are identical in design as different brands and way different in cost for the same unit.

If you're referring to the difference between the Lenmar MDV66 and the Power-2000 models, there IS a difference. The Power-2000 comes with the AC adapter, while the Lenmar MDV66 does not. While B&H generally has good pricing, Pro-Tape has the Power-2000 for $33 (and very good prices on MiniDV tapes). Here's the link: http://store.yahoo.com/protape/simmindvrew.html

Jeff Miller · October 20th, 2005, 09:36 AM

I use the Power-2000 rewinders for rewinding after capture and pre-winding new tapes. They are so great, I bought two of them!

If you want to save money, get the Lenmar, which is likely the same thing w/o power supply. I use NiMH's in my winders anyway and let the batteries get low on purpose, they then run the tape slower.

The only $20 winder I tried was the Kinyo. It ate the first tape I put in it, exchanged for a P2K and haven't had problems since. Buy something good!

Sean Bouchard · November 2nd, 2005, 07:59 PM

I use the maxell rewinder instead of my vx2000 and it works great. I've done a couple dozen tape through it and never had a problem! You can't beat it for under $30.

I've watched it as it comes near the end of the tape and I've never noticed any abrupt snap, the machine doesn't have much torque and it doesn't spin all that fast (just enough to do its job). Any sort of abrupt stopping of the tape seems to be absorbed by the wound roll of tape on the other spool.

Karl Heiner · November 2nd, 2005, 08:10 PM

have also the Kinyo from b&h for about $ 20. 1 year old and no problems. i never rewind in the camera.

greetings

Denis Danatzko · June 22nd, 2006, 05:28 AM

My interest in this relates specifically to mini DV Tape. Having lots of mainframe systems experience, for years I've been under the impression that the biggest 2 problems with any tape are 1) stretching, and 2) shelf life. ("Back in the day", mainframe tapes were only considered good for a shelf life of 2 yrs. before the coatings might begin to "peel", and if stored for more than 2 yrs, there was some mechanical cleaning process that the operators would perform).

I'd expect the "sudden stop" from mini DV rewinders to increase the likelihood of stretching. Even if recording only once, has anyone experienced stretching to the point where it has impacted repeated playback?

Thanks.

Jeff Miller · June 22nd, 2006, 07:38 AM

Denis,
Yah the little P2K's I use do stop suddenly. I've never been thrilled by that but it hasn't been a problem as far as I can tell. Good practice is to roll a minute or two at the beginning/end of a tape. My theory (hope) is that if the P2K does stretch something, it is either that preroll, or the nylon leader tape on the spool.

Also as noted above, I tend to run the batteries low which slows the motor down and takes some drama out of the sudden stop.

April 6th, 2005, 01:53 AM	#46
J. Stephen McDonald Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 909	We tossed the subject of a good mini-DV tape rewinder around thoroughly last year. I and several others got a Sima SRW62. It works very well and has never damaged my tapes. It has a smart sensor that slows it and keeps it from crashing against the end of a tape. It can be used with a plug-in DC adaptor, but I always run mine on batteries for convenience and portability. It cost about $40. and is small enough to fit into a pants pocket. __________________ Steve McDonald https://onedrive.com/?cid=229807ce52dd4fe0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/22121562@N00/ http://www.vimeo.com/user458315/videos

September 26th, 2005, 12:39 AM	#47
Chris Scharff Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: ATLANTA, GA Posts: 68	MiniDV Rewinder for $20. Which do you use? Greetings, I know this has been discussed before but I just wanted to see if anyone has the following or what pros/cons they can give me, both of these being under $30 (with s/h). Lenmar - MDV66 Maxell - MDVRW1 I will be using another MiniDV camcorder for transfers and I usually don't use the same tape more than a few times, I guess narrowing my chances of ruining a tape in one of these. Thanks for feedback.

September 26th, 2005, 06:27 AM	#48
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	First of all, these units, DV or VHS, are made quite simply but quite ingeniously as well. The way these rewinders automatically stop, at least the VHS models, is by self ejection due to the jerk of the tape stopping and triggering a spring loaded latch that is activated when you close the door. It's like a trap but in reverse. I haven't used one for DV but have for VHS countless times. I would just make sure that it has something called soft eject to prevent it snapping the tape from an abrupt stop. That's why most decks slow down within a minute or two from reaching the leader when rewinding. The only issue I had with the VHS model was that the latch was too secure so the tape would not eject when it was done. The unit would just sit there and whine while the rubber belt continued to spin around the pulley gears. The worst that could happen is that the belt would disintegrate and break before the tape broke but the motor could be damaged as well. I fixed that problem by opening the unit and filing down the plastic latch just enough to make the mechanism more sensitive. The good news is that it ejects every time now but it sometimes stops too early with about 5 minutes of tape left because the vibration from the spools jars the latch. It's better than burning up the motor though. What can we expect for $20? If I got one, it would have to be bi directional because I like to spin (shuttle, cycle, stir) my new tapes before using them and don't like using a camera or deck to do it. If you get one, let us know how it works. Last edited by James Emory; September 26th, 2005 at 01:54 PM.

September 26th, 2005, 06:51 AM	#49
Mike Teutsch Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida Posts: 2,614	Chris, I have the Maxell unit. It works fine but I really don't use it that much, so can't comment on durability. Seems I'm only puting about 10 or 15 minutes on a tape and end up just rewinding in my deck. One thing I did to save problems is to attach it to the top of my computer with velcro. They are so light, only a few ounces, that they move all over when you try to put in a tape or hit a button. Just velcro it down! I hope that this helps. Mike __________________ Chapter one, line one. The BH.

September 26th, 2005, 08:58 AM	#50
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	I use a Maxell MDV/RW1, have for several years. I have read the warnings about these units snapping tape but in many, many hours of use I have never had a problem. And for a few bucks, all those hours aren't on my VX2000. David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

September 26th, 2005, 01:26 PM	#52
Sean Hansen Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 50	I've been using the Maxell for over 2 yrs. Never once snapped a tape. Good little unit to have around. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sean Hansen CMProductions http://pages.infinit.net/cybrmonk/ Montreal, Quebec ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

September 26th, 2005, 03:28 PM	#53
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	maxwel mdv I have had one for awhile and i use it daily, never a problem yet. Can you get one for a standard high 8 tape too??? Gus

September 26th, 2005, 03:32 PM	#54
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Yep. As you'll see, a couple of the DV units are identical in design as different brands and way different in cost for the same unit. 8mm http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation All Selections http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...rch&Q=&ci=1988

October 20th, 2005, 09:36 AM	#56
Jeff Miller Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 227	I use the Power-2000 rewinders for rewinding after capture and pre-winding new tapes. They are so great, I bought two of them! If you want to save money, get the Lenmar, which is likely the same thing w/o power supply. I use NiMH's in my winders anyway and let the batteries get low on purpose, they then run the tape slower. The only $20 winder I tried was the Kinyo. It ate the first tape I put in it, exchanged for a P2K and haven't had problems since. Buy something good! Last edited by Jeff Miller; October 20th, 2005 at 02:46 PM.

November 2nd, 2005, 07:59 PM	#57
Sean Bouchard New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 18	I use the maxell rewinder instead of my vx2000 and it works great. I've done a couple dozen tape through it and never had a problem! You can't beat it for under $30. I've watched it as it comes near the end of the tape and I've never noticed any abrupt snap, the machine doesn't have much torque and it doesn't spin all that fast (just enough to do its job). Any sort of abrupt stopping of the tape seems to be absorbed by the wound roll of tape on the other spool.

November 2nd, 2005, 08:10 PM	#58
Karl Heiner Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: california Posts: 342	have also the Kinyo from b&h for about $ 20. 1 year old and no problems. i never rewind in the camera. greetings

June 22nd, 2006, 05:28 AM	#59
Denis Danatzko Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NYC Metro area Posts: 579	Has anyone encountered "tape stretch"" My interest in this relates specifically to mini DV Tape. Having lots of mainframe systems experience, for years I've been under the impression that the biggest 2 problems with any tape are 1) stretching, and 2) shelf life. ("Back in the day", mainframe tapes were only considered good for a shelf life of 2 yrs. before the coatings might begin to "peel", and if stored for more than 2 yrs, there was some mechanical cleaning process that the operators would perform). I'd expect the "sudden stop" from mini DV rewinders to increase the likelihood of stretching. Even if recording only once, has anyone experienced stretching to the point where it has impacted repeated playback? Thanks.

June 22nd, 2006, 07:38 AM	#60
Jeff Miller Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 227	Denis, Yah the little P2K's I use do stop suddenly. I've never been thrilled by that but it hasn't been a problem as far as I can tell. Good practice is to roll a minute or two at the beginning/end of a tape. My theory (hope) is that if the P2K does stretch something, it is either that preroll, or the nylon leader tape on the spool. Also as noted above, I tend to run the batteries low which slows the motor down and takes some drama out of the sudden stop. __________________ (insert long list of expensive stuff)