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October 28th, 2001, 08:59 AM

hello gang,
I'm looking in the archives for dv decks to save the wear and tear on my XL1.
Couldn't find anything...any thoughts on what's out there? Something basic, I don't really care for the bells & whistles; I'll save that for FCP...thanks, Ted.

Don Palomaki · October 28th, 2001, 01:10 PM

MiniDV? I use a Sony GV-D300, works well. Some folks use a ZR-10 or other low cost 1-CCD camcorder player/recorder for around the same price. As a bonus it gives a backup (if of limited capability) camcorder.

Chris Ward · October 28th, 2001, 09:02 PM

I have a Sony dsr-20 DVCAM/DV deck that has served me well. I firewire from my Canon XL-1 to make DVCAM protection masters of all my DV footage. It cost me $2700. new, but has been worth every penny.

Alexander Ibrahim · October 30th, 2001, 08:18 PM

This is a great deck for many uses...it integrates a MiniDV deck with a SVHS transport.

I have a review at:
http://www.zenera.com/reviews/jvcsrvs10u.html

Mike Butler · November 5th, 2001, 07:17 PM

As a variant on the ZR10 theme, I use an Elura. It has the analog inputs that the XL1 maddeningly lacks, plus as was pointed out, it serves as a backup camera. And the Elura is SO-O-O small, it works as a "stealth-cam" for shooting unnoticed. Yes, it's a one-CCD rig, but remarkable in performance for its size & price. The footage cuts in pretty well with other DV footage. Try having your assistant shoot some cutaways/B roll while you do the main shot. Of course, it is almost impossible to hold such a bitty thing still, but at least it doesn't take up much space in your bag.

Plus, the elura has a memory card to shoot stills to check the scene, lighting, etc. before rolling tape.

Chris Hurd · November 5th, 2001, 11:38 PM

Plus the Elura has the important secret weapon for one-chip camcorders... an RGB color filter. Goes a long way toward getting a three-chip look. The Elura and Optura Pi are the only Canons that have it.

Alan Van Vliet · November 29th, 2001, 12:34 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Ward : I have a Sony dsr-20 DVCAM/DV deck that has served me well. I firewire from my Canon XL-1 to make DVCAM protection masters of all my DV footage. It cost me $2700. new, but has been worth every penny. -->>>

Does this deck have high quality (1/5 speed) slow motion and or frame by frame capabilities?

Thanks, Al Van Vliet

Chris Ward · November 29th, 2001, 01:58 PM

It does both though I've only used the frame by frame.

Guy Pringle · December 1st, 2001, 12:07 AM

There's also the slightly cheaper Sony DSR-11 DVCAM/DV/miniDV deck that's nice and small. It is PAL/NTSC switchable. I've been using one with FCP and ShuttlePro and it works great! Only drawback I've found, so far, is that there is no timecode display.

David Phillips · December 12th, 2001, 02:37 PM

Hi all, I just logged on and there was a subject that's causing me a lot of grief at the moment Perhaps someone can throw some light on the prob.
We recently bought a Panasonic DV 2000 deck to save wear & tear on the XL1. When the tape is played back through the camera all is fine, but when we play the tape through the Panasonic deck the sound breaks up badly.
Panasonic inform us that the XL1 is at fault by not being properly aligned, whereby Canon inform us that that there is nothing wrong with the camera, but the deck in not compatible.
Who's telling the truth? Has anyone had similar experiences, if so what's the remedy?
Regards to all
David

Drewid20 · December 12th, 2001, 05:52 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by africats : There's also the slightly cheaper Sony DSR-11 DVCAM/DV/miniDV deck that's nice and small. It is PAL/NTSC switchable. I've been using one with FCP and ShuttlePro and it works great! Only drawback I've found, so far, is that there is no timecode display. -->>>

I think the DSR-11 will be the model I go with when my XL-1 gets here in a week. You can get some great deals on them on ebay. I just saw a new one in the box go for around 1500.

Don Donatello · December 17th, 2001, 04:45 PM

i have a panasonic deck. my GL tapes play excellent .. however just recently on my canon elura tapes the sound is breaking up on the deck but they playback fine from GL & elura.

Mat Cain · December 18th, 2001, 01:43 PM

Mr. Phillips,

I have a AGDV-2000 that works flawlessly with my XL-1s (plural) and my GL-1. I do have a question for you - are you recording in SP or LP? I have been told that to get the best results with LP that one should playback in the camera that shot the material. (I don't have a problem with that myself, but I wonder if it might be true in your case).

Another question - do you experience that problem with both the firewire out as well as analog (if it occours in only one it may help narrow down the problem).

Finally, if you would like to send me a tape I'd be happy so see if I can duplicate the problem on my deck.

Good Luck -

Mat Cain
DeCa Videoworks
decavideo@ev1.net

Mike Butler · December 18th, 2001, 02:04 PM

Mat,
If someone is actually taping in LP, let's try talking him out of it. Tape is cheap enough, and the added run time to be gained by taping at the lower speed is just not worth it. Can always buy more cassettes, but there's no way to go back and add quality to a recording. Just my $.02 here.

Mat Cain · December 18th, 2001, 05:21 PM

Graphics guy -

I know it is taboo to record in LP but I lets face it people do it all the time and I admit it... I do it on occasion as well. Though I don't prefer taping in LP - I find it difficult to see any noticeable image quality drop-off.

You seemed to miss the point of my post - I wasn't preaching the advantages of taping in LP but rather trying to help someone who has a problem. So "lets try" not to go off on a rant about our own personal views on tape speed and focus on helping folks on this forum.

Thanks for your $.02 and there is $.02 more....

Mat Cain
DeCa Videoworks

<<<-- Originally posted by the graphics guy : Mat,
If someone is actually taping in LP, let's try talking him out of it. Tape is cheap enough, and the added run time to be gained by taping at the lower speed is just not worth it. Can always buy more cassettes, but there's no way to go back and add quality to a recording. Just my $.02 here. -->>>

October 28th, 2001, 08:59 AM	#1
fotoman001 Posts: n/a	dv decks hello gang, I'm looking in the archives for dv decks to save the wear and tear on my XL1. Couldn't find anything...any thoughts on what's out there? Something basic, I don't really care for the bells & whistles; I'll save that for FCP...thanks, Ted.

October 30th, 2001, 08:18 PM	#4
Alexander Ibrahim Major Player Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Washington D.C. Metro Area Posts: 384	JVC SR-VS10 and 20 This is a great deck for many uses...it integrates a MiniDV deck with a SVHS transport. I have a review at: http://www.zenera.com/reviews/jvcsrvs10u.html __________________ Alexander Ibrahim http://www.alexanderibrahim.net

November 5th, 2001, 07:17 PM	#5
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	As a variant on the ZR10 theme, I use an Elura. It has the analog inputs that the XL1 maddeningly lacks, plus as was pointed out, it serves as a backup camera. And the Elura is SO-O-O small, it works as a "stealth-cam" for shooting unnoticed. Yes, it's a one-CCD rig, but remarkable in performance for its size & price. The footage cuts in pretty well with other DV footage. Try having your assistant shoot some cutaways/B roll while you do the main shot. Of course, it is almost impossible to hold such a bitty thing still, but at least it doesn't take up much space in your bag. Plus, the elura has a memory card to shoot stills to check the scene, lighting, etc. before rolling tape. __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

November 5th, 2001, 11:38 PM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Plus the Elura has the important secret weapon for one-chip camcorders... an RGB color filter. Goes a long way toward getting a three-chip look. The Elura and Optura Pi are the only Canons that have it. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

December 1st, 2001, 12:07 AM	#9
Guy Pringle Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 82	There's also the slightly cheaper Sony DSR-11 DVCAM/DV/miniDV deck that's nice and small. It is PAL/NTSC switchable. I've been using one with FCP and ShuttlePro and it works great! Only drawback I've found, so far, is that there is no timecode display. __________________ Amacitia Reddit Honores (Friendship Brings Honour) Guy Pringle Silver Reflections guypringle@yahoo.com +27(0)83 256 8566

October 28th, 2001, 01:10 PM	#2
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,489	MiniDV? I use a Sony GV-D300, works well. Some folks use a ZR-10 or other low cost 1-CCD camcorder player/recorder for around the same price. As a bonus it gives a backup (if of limited capability) camcorder.

October 28th, 2001, 09:02 PM	#3
Chris Ward Contributor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: New England Posts: 68	I have a Sony dsr-20 DVCAM/DV deck that has served me well. I firewire from my Canon XL-1 to make DVCAM protection masters of all my DV footage. It cost me $2700. new, but has been worth every penny.

November 29th, 2001, 12:34 PM	#7
Alan Van Vliet Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Pinehurst, NC USA Posts: 69	<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Ward : I have a Sony dsr-20 DVCAM/DV deck that has served me well. I firewire from my Canon XL-1 to make DVCAM protection masters of all my DV footage. It cost me $2700. new, but has been worth every penny. -->>> Does this deck have high quality (1/5 speed) slow motion and or frame by frame capabilities? Thanks, Al Van Vliet

November 29th, 2001, 01:58 PM	#8
Chris Ward Contributor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: New England Posts: 68	It does both though I've only used the frame by frame.

December 12th, 2001, 02:37 PM	#10
David Phillips Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Norwich Norfolk UK Posts: 112	DV Decks Hi all, I just logged on and there was a subject that's causing me a lot of grief at the moment Perhaps someone can throw some light on the prob. We recently bought a Panasonic DV 2000 deck to save wear & tear on the XL1. When the tape is played back through the camera all is fine, but when we play the tape through the Panasonic deck the sound breaks up badly. Panasonic inform us that the XL1 is at fault by not being properly aligned, whereby Canon inform us that that there is nothing wrong with the camera, but the deck in not compatible. Who's telling the truth? Has anyone had similar experiences, if so what's the remedy? Regards to all David __________________ David Phillips

December 12th, 2001, 05:52 PM	#11
Drewid20 New Boot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 16	<<<-- Originally posted by africats : There's also the slightly cheaper Sony DSR-11 DVCAM/DV/miniDV deck that's nice and small. It is PAL/NTSC switchable. I've been using one with FCP and ShuttlePro and it works great! Only drawback I've found, so far, is that there is no timecode display. -->>> I think the DSR-11 will be the model I go with when my XL-1 gets here in a week. You can get some great deals on them on ebay. I just saw a new one in the box go for around 1500.

December 17th, 2001, 04:45 PM	#12
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	david phillips i have a panasonic deck. my GL tapes play excellent .. however just recently on my canon elura tapes the sound is breaking up on the deck but they playback fine from GL & elura.

December 18th, 2001, 01:43 PM	#13
Mat Cain New Boot Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Maxwell, Texas USA Posts: 9	Reply to David Phillips: Mr. Phillips, I have a AGDV-2000 that works flawlessly with my XL-1s (plural) and my GL-1. I do have a question for you - are you recording in SP or LP? I have been told that to get the best results with LP that one should playback in the camera that shot the material. (I don't have a problem with that myself, but I wonder if it might be true in your case). Another question - do you experience that problem with both the firewire out as well as analog (if it occours in only one it may help narrow down the problem). Finally, if you would like to send me a tape I'd be happy so see if I can duplicate the problem on my deck. Good Luck - Mat Cain DeCa Videoworks decavideo@ev1.net

December 18th, 2001, 02:04 PM	#14
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	Mat, If someone is actually taping in LP, let's try talking him out of it. Tape is cheap enough, and the added run time to be gained by taping at the lower speed is just not worth it. Can always buy more cassettes, but there's no way to go back and add quality to a recording. Just my $.02 here. __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

December 18th, 2001, 05:21 PM	#15
Mat Cain New Boot Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Maxwell, Texas USA Posts: 9	Graphics guy - I know it is taboo to record in LP but I lets face it people do it all the time and I admit it... I do it on occasion as well. Though I don't prefer taping in LP - I find it difficult to see any noticeable image quality drop-off. You seemed to miss the point of my post - I wasn't preaching the advantages of taping in LP but rather trying to help someone who has a problem. So "lets try" not to go off on a rant about our own personal views on tape speed and focus on helping folks on this forum. Thanks for your $.02 and there is $.02 more.... Mat Cain DeCa Videoworks <<<-- Originally posted by the graphics guy : Mat, If someone is actually taping in LP, let's try talking him out of it. Tape is cheap enough, and the added run time to be gained by taping at the lower speed is just not worth it. Can always buy more cassettes, but there's no way to go back and add quality to a recording. Just my $.02 here. -->>>