HM100 & 700 Series Scene File Recipes? at DVinfo.net

Robert Rogoz · May 6th, 2009, 12:09 PM

Maybe time to start new sticky?

Tim Dashwood · May 6th, 2009, 02:43 PM

They are on their way. I've already done a DSC calibrated scene file... I mean "PICTURE" file.

JVC engineers split the scene files on the HM700 into visual elements (GAMMA, TOE, KNEE, MATRIX, ETC.) called PICTURE Files and personal preference stuff (User buttons, White balance presets, format, frame rate, display, zebra, focus assist, etc) as SCENE files.

This is great for DV Info Net users because we can share PICTURE files without fundamentally changing any personal preferences already set on the camera.

David Parks · May 6th, 2009, 03:13 PM

Excellent.

Thanks Tim. I really liked the "scene" files (orginal term in HD 100 world) that you created for the old 100/110.

Look forward to it.

Robert Rogoz · May 6th, 2009, 03:34 PM

Thanks Tim, are you also going to do HM100?
I also was wondering about your impressions on controls on HM100 model. I have to decide between Panny HMC150 and JVC HM100. I started shooting with DVX100 and loved the layout of the camera and the toughness of the frame. However I am not that keen on AVCHD, particularly editing in FCS2. Particularly I am hesitant about aperture/shutter button and combined focus/zoom ring.

Marcello Mazzilli · May 8th, 2009, 06:43 AM

Eagerly waiting...

Tim Dashwood · May 9th, 2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Rogoz

Thanks Tim, are you also going to do HM100?

Yes I'll do HM100 settings too. The first goal will be to match the HM100 to a profile for the HM700. It won't be that difficult.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Rogoz

I also was wondering about your impressions on controls on HM100 model. I have to decide between Panny HMC150 and JVC HM100. However I am not that keen on AVCHD, particularly editing in FCS2.

I own a Panasonic SD100 that I use just for home movies and I hate the log & transfer process of transoding the AVCHD into ProRes or AIC. Now that I've dragged and dropped XDCAM EX MOVs I cringe just thinking about AVCHD.

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Originally Posted by Robert Rogoz

Particularly I am hesitant about aperture/shutter button and combined focus/zoom ring.

Well these are the consumer-ish aspects of the HM100 design. The ring is what it is. Just assign it as focus and use the zoom toggle with your right hand. It is a servo controlled lens anyway so zooming with a ring is somewhat pointless. You would never be able to "snap zoom" with it anyway.
As for the aperture and shutter controls I don't mind the shutter control being out of the way. It is something you would normally just set and leave anyway, but I do wish the iris control had been designed as a dial near the front of the camera.

Robert Rogoz · May 9th, 2009, 04:16 PM

Thanks Tim for (as usual) in depths answer.

Robert Rogoz · May 16th, 2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

Yes I'll do HM100 settings too. The first goal will be to match the HM100 to a profile for the HM700. It won't be that difficult.

I also think due to the format it would be very useful to match Sony EX1/EX3 to HM100. I think you'll find a lot of people using this sort of combination.

Keith Moreau · May 17th, 2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Rogoz

I also think due to the format it would be very useful to match Sony EX1/EX3 to HM100. I think you'll find a lot of people using this sort of combination.

I would second that wish as an EX1 owner and a new HM100 owner wishing to intercut them. I use the CINE gammas mostly on the EX and I've chosen those on the HM100 and like them although I'd like to get more latitude out of them.

Marcello Mazzilli · May 17th, 2009, 12:18 PM

I found that by default SONY cameras match better colours than JVC, that tend to have a slight green/yellow white. I am talking of a slight colour variation but it can be easily viewd.. just watch with your eyes what you are shooting both in reality and through the camera. I would appreciate a "real white" setting.

Sean Adair · May 18th, 2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcello Mazzilli

I found that by default SONY cameras match better colours than JVC, that tend to have a slight green/yellow white. I am talking of a slight colour variation but it can be easily viewd.. just watch with your eyes what you are shooting both in reality and through the camera. I would appreciate a "real white" setting.

The JVC wb presets are a bit colored, but with a manual wb setting I find a very natural look. Tim'e dsc should please you though if you are looking to produce without a color/look treatment.

Marcello Mazzilli · June 5th, 2009, 05:28 AM

Still no picture files? :(

Calvin Bellows · June 5th, 2009, 10:31 AM

I'm really interested in seeing some scene files. I have always had an engineer to set up my camera so I have no idea how adjusting the gamma, toe etc will affect the final picture. As well coming from a news world all the cine stuff is kinda confusing. I am really looking forward to Tim's new DVD as I hope he explains all of this in detail.

Marcello Mazzilli · July 9th, 2009, 05:30 AM

No picture files yet? Are there some problems?

Tim Dashwood · July 9th, 2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcello Mazzilli

No picture files yet? Are there some problems?

I've just been plain busy on the new tutorials along with my day jobs. I have so much stuff to upload!
I just got some new charts from DSC, including a custom linear grad for determining gamma curve response. There will be good stuff soon enough.

May 6th, 2009, 12:09 PM	#1
Robert Rogoz Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 457	HM100 & 700 Series Scene File Recipes? Maybe time to start new sticky?

May 6th, 2009, 02:43 PM	#2
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	They are on their way. I've already done a DSC calibrated scene file... I mean "PICTURE" file. JVC engineers split the scene files on the HM700 into visual elements (GAMMA, TOE, KNEE, MATRIX, ETC.) called PICTURE Files and personal preference stuff (User buttons, White balance presets, format, frame rate, display, zebra, focus assist, etc) as SCENE files. This is great for DV Info Net users because we can share PICTURE files without fundamentally changing any personal preferences already set on the camera. __________________ Tim Dashwood

May 6th, 2009, 03:13 PM	#3
David Parks Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 789	Excellent. Thanks Tim. I really liked the "scene" files (orginal term in HD 100 world) that you created for the old 100/110. Look forward to it. __________________ David Parks: DP/Editor: Jacobs Aerospace at NASA Johnson Space Center https://www.youtube.com/user/JacobsESCG

June 5th, 2009, 10:31 AM	#13
Calvin Bellows Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 215	I'm really interested in seeing some scene files. I have always had an engineer to set up my camera so I have no idea how adjusting the gamma, toe etc will affect the final picture. As well coming from a news world all the cine stuff is kinda confusing. I am really looking forward to Tim's new DVD as I hope he explains all of this in detail. __________________ Calvin Bellows www.exposureproductions.ca

May 6th, 2009, 03:34 PM	#4
Robert Rogoz Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 457	Thanks Tim, are you also going to do HM100? I also was wondering about your impressions on controls on HM100 model. I have to decide between Panny HMC150 and JVC HM100. I started shooting with DVX100 and loved the layout of the camera and the toughness of the frame. However I am not that keen on AVCHD, particularly editing in FCS2. Particularly I am hesitant about aperture/shutter button and combined focus/zoom ring.

May 8th, 2009, 06:43 AM	#5
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	Eagerly waiting...

May 9th, 2009, 04:16 PM	#7
Robert Rogoz Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 457	Thanks Tim for (as usual) in depths answer.

May 17th, 2009, 12:18 PM	#10
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	I found that by default SONY cameras match better colours than JVC, that tend to have a slight green/yellow white. I am talking of a slight colour variation but it can be easily viewd.. just watch with your eyes what you are shooting both in reality and through the camera. I would appreciate a "real white" setting.

June 5th, 2009, 05:28 AM	#12
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	Still no picture files? :(

July 9th, 2009, 05:30 AM	#14
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	No picture files yet? Are there some problems?