Downloadable HM700 35Mbps clips for testing in your NLE

Tim Dashwood · April 8th, 2009, 02:24 PM

Yes. The workflow for FCP and .MOV is super simple.

1. Copy files from the SDHC card to the hard drive. (You can skip this step if you're in a real hurry.)

2. Drag and Drop files into FCP bin. (There is no need to use "import" menu or Log & Transfer)

3. Start editing.

If you are editing into a new sequence FCP6 will ask you if you want to set the sequence to the same settings as the source clips. I recommend doing this but then go to Sequence settings-->Render Tab and set the render codec to ProRes422.

Marcello Mazzilli · April 19th, 2009, 01:45 PM

I know these tests are not for testing the camera.. but... can you tell us something more now.... ? I bought a HM700 and I am finding some noise. Also the 17x Fujinon lenses seem to have quite a magenta/green fringe. Were you able to test it? I'd love to see some footage done by a professional DOP. Thanks, Marcello

Dave Tyrer · June 19th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Just tried downloading XDZP1 XDCAM EX Clip Browser from the UK site but you have to register and there appear to be problems on their registration page.

Amir Jaffar · June 23rd, 2009, 11:53 PM

[QUOTE=Dave Tyrer;Just tried downloading XDZP1 XDCAM EX Clip Browser from the UK site but you have to register and there appear to be problems on their registration page.[/QUOTE]

I think you need to compulsorily fill out the details marked in asterisk on the registration page. The phone number entries needs to have - between or it does not go ahead... That's the little problem I faced. Hope that solves...

Dave Tyrer · June 26th, 2009, 01:38 PM

Thanks Amir...I did all that but still no joy. I did however manage to find it elswhere. Just got to try and load the .mov files into Vegas now.

Dave Tyrer · June 26th, 2009, 01:54 PM

I've managed to play the MP4 files in Vegas 9 Pro demo and I'm just trying the MOV files. Is there any difference in using either type ?

Tracy Foust · July 9th, 2009, 04:48 AM

Did you have any luck in playing back the MOV files in Vegas 9? I tried and got the audio track only and the video track did not appear when I dropped the file into the timeline.

Dave Tyrer · July 9th, 2009, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tracy Foust

Did you have any luck in playing back the MOV files in Vegas 9? I tried and got the audio track only and the video track did not appear when I dropped the file into the timeline.

In order to play MOV files in Vegas you need to install this codec

Calibrated{Q} XD Decode

It's a demo and has grey stipes across it but at least you will be able to play the clip.

John Mitchell · September 16th, 2009, 10:10 PM

Thanks Tim for uploading the clips..

Complete succes with the MP4 files. Took the clips into clip browser and exported them as NLE compatible MXFs

I could then import then in the same codec (no transcoding involved). The only hiccuop was the 1080P24 file whcih is actually 1080P23.976 (Avid has both 23.976 and 24) - once i opened the correct type of project Avid could import the clip with no problems. I haven't tried AMA yet as the clips are all of varying speed and raster so it woud have been just one clip per project but i imagine it would work.

So far no success with the .movs as I don't have the third party Windows codec. However I have a Mac here with the latest FCP and I'll see if I can import directly to Avid on that.

John Mitchell · September 17th, 2009, 02:24 AM

On the Mac with FCP I can import the .movs directly into Avid.

Frame rate does not seem to matter with the QTs (as opposed to the MP4s) so I could import all the over cranked and undercranked footage straight into a 720P25 project automatically conforming it to that frame rate.

Remember Avid ties the format to the project where as FCP is format agnostic. A project in FCP can contain multiple formats, a project in Avid may contain only one. By format I mean raster size and framerate, not codec.

In summary you can get all types of files that the JVC GY-HM700/100 generates into Avid. If you are on a PC you will need to shell out about $100 to buy a 3rd party decoder for the Quicktime .mov format, although I suspect eventually QT will support them directly or perhaps with just the MPEG2 component loaded. You will need Sony's free clip browser to re-wrap the .mp4s into mxf format but that is an exceedingly quick and easy process.

If you are on a Mac and you have FCP 6.xxx installed you already have a decoder installed and can import the .movs directly into Avid.

In summary these cameras have none of the problems of hte previous HDV generations had with Avid.

Kevin McCarthy · October 2nd, 2009, 11:28 AM

when you converted the mp4's for use in Avid, did it retain the original time code upon import?

John Mitchell · October 27th, 2009, 07:21 PM

Sorry Kev - I wasn't subscribed to this thread but yes it did. It will also preserve metadata that is compatible.

John Mitchell · November 23rd, 2009, 07:23 AM

Avid will read the .mp4 files from the BPAV folder directly via AMA (Avid Media Access). Tim's test files did not preserve the folder structure and metadata, so I ran tests directly off the HM700 to confirm. You could work directly off the cards if you were pressed for time, although I would always recommend some form of backup.

UPDATE: the new version of Avid Media Composer (4.02) supports mix and match of framerates and raster sizes within the one timeline.

Bill Mecca · January 14th, 2010, 01:15 PM

First I wanted to say Thanks to Tim for uploading these files. I was just asked today about what new gear I wanted and have been eyeing the HM700 and 100 (depending upon available budget)

I do have a question about work flow. I used the Sony browser to take the mp4 to mxf and got it into Avid MC 3.5 no problem. I will still be distributing in SD on DVD. My usual route is to render the effects then send the timeline to Squeeze via QTREF. When I tried that I got the message that Long GOP cannot go as QTREF. So I guess I will have to choose another option when sending to Squeeze. What is the best option in this case?

Jonathan Bird · August 18th, 2012, 01:42 PM

Thanks for posting that footage. I would love to see some from the new 710 with the Canon lens. That Fujinon is not doing the camera any justice. The chromatic aberration towards the edge of the frame is shockly horrible! It looks like an SD lens on an HD camera.

April 8th, 2009, 02:24 PM	#16
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	Yes. The workflow for FCP and .MOV is super simple. 1. Copy files from the SDHC card to the hard drive. (You can skip this step if you're in a real hurry.) 2. Drag and Drop files into FCP bin. (There is no need to use "import" menu or Log & Transfer) 3. Start editing. If you are editing into a new sequence FCP6 will ask you if you want to set the sequence to the same settings as the source clips. I recommend doing this but then go to Sequence settings-->Render Tab and set the render codec to ProRes422. __________________ Tim Dashwood

June 26th, 2009, 01:54 PM	#21
Dave Tyrer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK Posts: 174	I've managed to play the MP4 files in Vegas 9 Pro demo and I'm just trying the MOV files. Is there any difference in using either type ? Last edited by Dave Tyrer; June 27th, 2009 at 04:38 AM.

July 9th, 2009, 04:48 AM	#22
Tracy Foust Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 58	Vegas and MOV files Did you have any luck in playing back the MOV files in Vegas 9? I tried and got the audio track only and the video track did not appear when I dropped the file into the timeline.

September 16th, 2009, 10:10 PM	#24
John Mitchell Contributor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 873	Avid compatibility Thanks Tim for uploading the clips.. Complete succes with the MP4 files. Took the clips into clip browser and exported them as NLE compatible MXFs I could then import then in the same codec (no transcoding involved). The only hiccuop was the 1080P24 file whcih is actually 1080P23.976 (Avid has both 23.976 and 24) - once i opened the correct type of project Avid could import the clip with no problems. I haven't tried AMA yet as the clips are all of varying speed and raster so it woud have been just one clip per project but i imagine it would work. So far no success with the .movs as I don't have the third party Windows codec. However I have a Mac here with the latest FCP and I'll see if I can import directly to Avid on that.

September 17th, 2009, 02:24 AM	#25
John Mitchell Contributor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 873	Avid (cont) On the Mac with FCP I can import the .movs directly into Avid. Frame rate does not seem to matter with the QTs (as opposed to the MP4s) so I could import all the over cranked and undercranked footage straight into a 720P25 project automatically conforming it to that frame rate. Remember Avid ties the format to the project where as FCP is format agnostic. A project in FCP can contain multiple formats, a project in Avid may contain only one. By format I mean raster size and framerate, not codec. In summary you can get all types of files that the JVC GY-HM700/100 generates into Avid. If you are on a PC you will need to shell out about $100 to buy a 3rd party decoder for the Quicktime .mov format, although I suspect eventually QT will support them directly or perhaps with just the MPEG2 component loaded. You will need Sony's free clip browser to re-wrap the .mp4s into mxf format but that is an exceedingly quick and easy process. If you are on a Mac and you have FCP 6.xxx installed you already have a decoder installed and can import the .movs directly into Avid. In summary these cameras have none of the problems of hte previous HDV generations had with Avid.

April 19th, 2009, 01:45 PM	#17
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	I know these tests are not for testing the camera.. but... can you tell us something more now.... ? I bought a HM700 and I am finding some noise. Also the 17x Fujinon lenses seem to have quite a magenta/green fringe. Were you able to test it? I'd love to see some footage done by a professional DOP. Thanks, Marcello

June 19th, 2009, 01:42 PM	#18
Dave Tyrer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK Posts: 174	Just tried downloading XDZP1 XDCAM EX Clip Browser from the UK site but you have to register and there appear to be problems on their registration page.

June 23rd, 2009, 11:53 PM	#19
Amir Jaffar Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mumbai, India. Posts: 26	[QUOTE=Dave Tyrer;Just tried downloading XDZP1 XDCAM EX Clip Browser from the UK site but you have to register and there appear to be problems on their registration page.[/QUOTE] I think you need to compulsorily fill out the details marked in asterisk on the registration page. The phone number entries needs to have - between or it does not go ahead... That's the little problem I faced. Hope that solves...

June 26th, 2009, 01:38 PM	#20
Dave Tyrer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK Posts: 174	Thanks Amir...I did all that but still no joy. I did however manage to find it elswhere. Just got to try and load the .mov files into Vegas now.

October 2nd, 2009, 11:28 AM	#26
Kevin McCarthy Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 30	when you converted the mp4's for use in Avid, did it retain the original time code upon import?

October 27th, 2009, 07:21 PM	#27
John Mitchell Contributor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 873	Sorry Kev - I wasn't subscribed to this thread but yes it did. It will also preserve metadata that is compatible.

November 23rd, 2009, 07:23 AM	#28
John Mitchell Contributor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 873	Avid updated info Avid will read the .mp4 files from the BPAV folder directly via AMA (Avid Media Access). Tim's test files did not preserve the folder structure and metadata, so I ran tests directly off the HM700 to confirm. You could work directly off the cards if you were pressed for time, although I would always recommend some form of backup. UPDATE: the new version of Avid Media Composer (4.02) supports mix and match of framerates and raster sizes within the one timeline.

January 14th, 2010, 01:15 PM	#29
Bill Mecca Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 475	First I wanted to say Thanks to Tim for uploading these files. I was just asked today about what new gear I wanted and have been eyeing the HM700 and 100 (depending upon available budget) I do have a question about work flow. I used the Sony browser to take the mp4 to mxf and got it into Avid MC 3.5 no problem. I will still be distributing in SD on DVD. My usual route is to render the effects then send the timeline to Squeeze via QTREF. When I tried that I got the message that Long GOP cannot go as QTREF. So I guess I will have to choose another option when sending to Squeeze. What is the best option in this case? __________________ Award-winning Pine Barrens Documentary! Video, Audio, Music & More

August 18th, 2012, 01:42 PM	#30
Jonathan Bird Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Massachusetts, United States Posts: 41	Re: Downloadable HM700 35Mbps clips for testing in your NLE Thanks for posting that footage. I would love to see some from the new 710 with the Canon lens. That Fujinon is not doing the camera any justice. The chromatic aberration towards the edge of the frame is shockly horrible! It looks like an SD lens on an HD camera.