New GY-HM700 Camcorder

Brian Standing · February 2nd, 2009, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo Smith

I can't read it clearly but I think I see 4.4 on the zoom ring, wider than 5.5 on the fuji 16x.

But not much wider than the Fuji 16x with the .82 converter attached (4.5 mm).

If you want a really wide 1/3" lens, it seems the Fuji 13x is still the only game in town.

Steven Lyons · February 6th, 2009, 10:11 PM

any update about trading in gyhd 251
for new HM700?

Also I had heaps of problems with noise levels in underlight (or darkish) areas of footage from the 251e, very dissapointing, but since setting master black to -3 I have noticed a big difference in lack of noise, at the expense of becoming a less sensitive camera.
Anyone have any comments on this?

Chris Hurd · February 6th, 2009, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Lyons

any update about trading in gyhd 251 for new HM700?

I think the trade-in program will be either one of two industry standard
procedures: either ebay.com or our own private classifieds section.

Uli Mors · February 7th, 2009, 11:31 AM

why should they trade it in?

The demand for the new HM series will grow by itself - event from existing HDxxx users.

uli

Shaun Roemich · February 10th, 2009, 03:16 PM

JVC Professional Features page

Ok, I guess this is real now. No more skulking around foreign sites with CH wondering/worrying if all is well.

Brian Tori · February 10th, 2009, 03:48 PM

Does anyone know what the second file format extension is when using the HM100 or HM700? The cameras are obviously .mov compatible, but I'm confused as to what we get on the PC side. What does "ISO based" mean? On the HM700 page it states that it can record to XDCAM EX compatible .mp4 files only with the optional SxS recorder. What is the extension going to be when shooting to the SDHC cards?

Harry Pallenberg · February 10th, 2009, 04:00 PM

looks SWEET... actually looks just like I expected, but the specs look SWEET.....

Can not wait to see footage....

David Parks · February 10th, 2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Tori

Does anyone know what the second file format extension is when using the HM100 or HM700? The cameras are obviously .mov compatible, but I'm confused as to what we get on the PC side. What does "ISO based" mean? On the HM700 page it states that it can record to XDCAM EX compatible .mp4 files only with the optional SxS recorder. What is the extension going to be when shooting to the SDHC cards?

OUCH: $7995.00!!!!!

Good question Brian. That would be very frustrating if I have to buy a extra $1700 SXS recorder in order to get footage into Avid from the 700.

OUCH: $9600.00!!!!! with SXS!! (Although it does over and undercrank)

And I haven't even bought batteries yet.

Price is much higher than I expected. Not saying it's not worth it because we haven't seen any footage from it.

Derran Rootring · February 10th, 2009, 04:20 PM

Thanks for the link Shaun!

Yes it would be really pricey if you have to buy a SXS recorder in order to use this camera with Avid. Perhaps there is a workaround to use these Quicktime files with other NLE's. Other then that, what a great camera!

Maybe I should start looking for used V-lock batteries and a charger already...

David Knaggs · February 10th, 2009, 05:14 PM

Very, very impressive. It seems priced to compete with the detachable-lens PMW-EX3 by Sony. It's $325 cheaper than the EX3 (using B&H's current price for the EX3).

It's got a marvellous set of features, the old ones that we know and love plus bigger LCD, better viewfinder, Clip View functions, Retro Start Cache (no more missed shots!), etc., etc.

As I said, very impressive. And I guess sticking with the 1/3" chips looks after their existing ProHD client base who might have already made an investment in 1/3" glass.

The main thing I'm interested in from Tim's testing today is the low light performance and resolution at 1080p - both specifically compared to that of the 1/2" chips of the EX1/EX3.

If the JVC engineers have done a good enough job with the LoLux and spatial offset technologies to place these two points "somewhat in the same ballpark" as the EX3, I would definitely favour the HM700. (I love that new, easy workflow in FCP!)

Which is why I'd also like to see Phil Bloom put an HM700 through its paces (as Phil is very experienced with both ProHD and EX1/EX3).

Taylor Brush · February 10th, 2009, 05:37 PM

Wow. Sorry JVC, but it looks like someone dropped the ball on this one. ONLY native FCP recording without an extra $1500? Would it have really killed you to have added another format, such as MXF? Wouldn't that have opened up the horizons a little instead of limiting them?

What I really don't understand is why the smaller camera has this option, but the larger one does not?

I don't use a mac and I don't buy products specifically designed for macs. Looks like I'm going to have to see about buying a separate digital recorder since this purchase has been taken off the table. Maybe I'd think about it if they realize their mistake and add additional recording options, although I don't know how that fits in with their licencing deals.

It's a beautiful camera and I love the idea of it, although it doesn't fit into my work flow at all and I believe I am speaking for a lot of other people who have similar work flows that I do.

David Parks · February 10th, 2009, 07:08 PM

From JVC Press Release:

"By attaching the optional KA-MR100 dockable media recorder, it is possible to record Sony XDCAM EX compatible .MP4 files onto high-speed SxS memory cards, while at the same time recording the same .MP4 files to inexpensive SDHC cards. Having two copies instantaneously available provides more versatility in the field with the assurance of always having a back-up. "

I'm confused. Maybe you don't need the SXS to record XDCAM EX 35mbit. Hopefully we'll get more clarification from JVC or Tim and Chris Hurd,

Jim Boda · February 10th, 2009, 07:17 PM

Interesting. Avid does import .MOV files...but, it would be nice to have the option of shooting in a native editing format. Someone needs to work on some software that will remove the quicktime wrapper w/ an alternate native wrapper. "Unclipwrap"?

Mark Nicholson · February 10th, 2009, 07:21 PM

Can't wait to see footage from this camera. I'm very excited.

Perrone Ford · February 10th, 2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Tori

Does anyone know what the second file format extension is when using the HM100 or HM700? The cameras are obviously .mov compatible, but I'm confused as to what we get on the PC side. What does "ISO based" mean? On the HM700 page it states that it can record to XDCAM EX compatible .mp4 files only with the optional SxS recorder. What is the extension going to be when shooting to the SDHC cards?

You act like PC's can't use .mov files. They can and do so quite easily. In fact, if the camera is using prores, you should be able to drop that into any NLE that is quicktime aware.

February 6th, 2009, 10:11 PM	#92
Steven Lyons Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 28	gyhm700 any update about trading in gyhd 251 for new HM700? Also I had heaps of problems with noise levels in underlight (or darkish) areas of footage from the 251e, very dissapointing, but since setting master black to -3 I have noticed a big difference in lack of noise, at the expense of becoming a less sensitive camera. Anyone have any comments on this?

February 10th, 2009, 03:16 PM	#95
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	HM700 Link is up at JVC's Site (With Pics!!!) JVC Professional Features page Ok, I guess this is real now. No more skulking around foreign sites with CH wondering/worrying if all is well. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

February 10th, 2009, 07:08 PM	#102
David Parks Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 789	From JVC Press Release: "By attaching the optional KA-MR100 dockable media recorder, it is possible to record Sony XDCAM EX compatible .MP4 files onto high-speed SxS memory cards, while at the same time recording the same .MP4 files to inexpensive SDHC cards. Having two copies instantaneously available provides more versatility in the field with the assurance of always having a back-up. " I'm confused. Maybe you don't need the SXS to record XDCAM EX 35mbit. Hopefully we'll get more clarification from JVC or Tim and Chris Hurd, __________________ David Parks: DP/Editor: Jacobs Aerospace at NASA Johnson Space Center https://www.youtube.com/user/JacobsESCG

February 10th, 2009, 07:21 PM	#104
Mark Nicholson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eldorado Hills CA Posts: 68	Can't wait to see footage from this camera. I'm very excited. __________________ Sacramento http://eyepatchfilms.com 2x HD-250, BR-HD50, Media Composer

February 7th, 2009, 11:31 AM	#94
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	why should they trade it in? The demand for the new HM series will grow by itself - event from existing HDxxx users. uli

February 10th, 2009, 03:48 PM	#96
Brian Tori Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 408	Does anyone know what the second file format extension is when using the HM100 or HM700? The cameras are obviously .mov compatible, but I'm confused as to what we get on the PC side. What does "ISO based" mean? On the HM700 page it states that it can record to XDCAM EX compatible .mp4 files only with the optional SxS recorder. What is the extension going to be when shooting to the SDHC cards?

February 10th, 2009, 04:00 PM	#97
Harry Pallenberg Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 122	looks SWEET... actually looks just like I expected, but the specs look SWEET..... Can not wait to see footage....

February 10th, 2009, 04:20 PM	#99
Derran Rootring Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 204	Thanks for the link Shaun! Yes it would be really pricey if you have to buy a SXS recorder in order to use this camera with Avid. Perhaps there is a workaround to use these Quicktime files with other NLE's. Other then that, what a great camera! Maybe I should start looking for used V-lock batteries and a charger already...

February 10th, 2009, 05:14 PM	#100
David Knaggs Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 826	Very, very impressive. It seems priced to compete with the detachable-lens PMW-EX3 by Sony. It's $325 cheaper than the EX3 (using B&H's current price for the EX3). It's got a marvellous set of features, the old ones that we know and love plus bigger LCD, better viewfinder, Clip View functions, Retro Start Cache (no more missed shots!), etc., etc. As I said, very impressive. And I guess sticking with the 1/3" chips looks after their existing ProHD client base who might have already made an investment in 1/3" glass. The main thing I'm interested in from Tim's testing today is the low light performance and resolution at 1080p - both specifically compared to that of the 1/2" chips of the EX1/EX3. If the JVC engineers have done a good enough job with the LoLux and spatial offset technologies to place these two points "somewhat in the same ballpark" as the EX3, I would definitely favour the HM700. (I love that new, easy workflow in FCP!) Which is why I'd also like to see Phil Bloom put an HM700 through its paces (as Phil is very experienced with both ProHD and EX1/EX3).

February 10th, 2009, 05:37 PM	#101
Taylor Brush Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Jurbise, Belgium Posts: 29	Wow. Sorry JVC, but it looks like someone dropped the ball on this one. ONLY native FCP recording without an extra $1500? Would it have really killed you to have added another format, such as MXF? Wouldn't that have opened up the horizons a little instead of limiting them? What I really don't understand is why the smaller camera has this option, but the larger one does not? I don't use a mac and I don't buy products specifically designed for macs. Looks like I'm going to have to see about buying a separate digital recorder since this purchase has been taken off the table. Maybe I'd think about it if they realize their mistake and add additional recording options, although I don't know how that fits in with their licencing deals. It's a beautiful camera and I love the idea of it, although it doesn't fit into my work flow at all and I believe I am speaking for a lot of other people who have similar work flows that I do.

February 10th, 2009, 07:17 PM	#103
Jim Boda Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Olney, Maryland Posts: 197	Interesting. Avid does import .MOV files...but, it would be nice to have the option of shooting in a native editing format. Someone needs to work on some software that will remove the quicktime wrapper w/ an alternate native wrapper. "Unclipwrap"?