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August 4th, 2009, 07:25 PM | #16 |
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To Elvis and Andy:
If set to progressive, the HM100 should be recording native progressive and saving the data in the XDCAM EX format. The XDCAM EX codec progressive mode is true progressive, it's not an interlaced format that combines or skips frames like some of the tape-based DV and HDV codecs which was an artifact and limitation of tape transport recording. I personally use 1080 30P and this is where I experienced my problem, which is that it seems there is interlacing artifacts embedded into file that should be 'progressive.' Whether this is happening in the camcorder and is part of the actual video data or it's incorrectly recording interlaced and marking it as progressive, something is going wrong at the camcorder end. |
August 5th, 2009, 12:11 AM | #17 |
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I looked into your clip. It looks like it is not a pure interlaced issue. The grass blades in front plane out of focus have clear light-green/dark-green long lines which lasts a couple of frames. But it should not be at all because grass is out-of-focus. Moreover, lines with interlacing problem should exist only 1 or 2 frames at the same place but not more. It is more interesting look into original clip because this one has a trace of some re-encoding, it has Format profile: Main@High-1440 which is not available for MP4 shooting. That may underline the problem. |
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Also, about the file format being "Main@High-1440" -- I just realised that that was the "Level" that was set as the default in Adobe Media Encoder. I could have just chosen "High". Quote:
Interesting that FCP couldn't solve the problem by placing it into a 1080i timeline. Premiere Pro doesn't have a problem fixing it for me. Maybe you should try Premiere? I know Premier can handle .mov files. (I also use a Mac, btw, but prefer Premiere since it integrates so well with After Effects and Encore, which I use frequently.) The problems I've had have all happened using battery power. It has only remained for two or three successive clips, then goes away on its own, even if the first clip in which the problem no longer exists is only a matter of a minute or two after the previous problem clip. I can't think what I've done between those clips to correct the problem. I doubt I have turned the camera off in that intervening time. From now on, when recording certain clips, I'm going to announce to the camera the main settings I have and what I've changed. That way when the problem inevitably arises again, I can see if there's a pattern. Quote:
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August 5th, 2009, 10:15 AM | #19 |
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This is a fascinating thread, has anyone contacted JVC about this, maybe they know exactly what is going on, who knows, maybe this is something slated already to be fixed in the firmware update? But it sure seems like someone should contact them, as the camera certainly shouldn't be operating in this way, right?
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I contacted JVC
I called today so they now know about the issue .So I will hopefully hear from their engineers
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What puzzles me - there are 3 unexplained issue to mark the problem as "interlaced". 1) Long zigzag lines in front plane grass blades. In frame-by-frame advance it seems that blades moves slowly and it's edges are out-of-focus. However, zigzag lines are long and clear. 2) Zigzag lines and spaces between them consist from TWO pixels width. But fields actually interleave each other pixel line, that is a definition. I double check with my 1920x1080 clips and yes, zigzag lines in progressive still shot (postprocess from interleaved i60) are only one pixel width. 3) You said you downconverted a 1080 clip. But in most of downconverting procedures the zigzag lines will be blurred away because of a resolution drop (from 1080 to 720 - it is a 50%). In my knowledge the only downconverting procedure which could keep interleaved zigzags is the downconverting from interleaved stream and converting it to progressive. In some ways it may downgrade separately fields and turn to progressive later. Now, because you are shooting in MP4 and I can't successfully analyze Keith's MOV files I have some interest in your original clip - that is a reason. I browsed through my shots (1+ month) but I don't see this problem. However, my experience with p30/p25 is limited because I shoot in i60 and use 720p60 for room/evening shots. |
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Leonid, would a 1080p25 clip in MPG format suffice? Adobe Media Encoder only allows me to output such a clip in the MPEG-2 format.
On the other hand, I have a 53 MB clip which is 12 seconds long that has this interlacing issue (or whatever you prefer to call it). I could upload this clip, completely unaltered, for you to analyse. But be warned that there is not a lot of movement in this clip so it is harder to see the problem than in the clip you've already seen. |
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Leonid, here is the link of the unchanged MP4 file: http://dl4.rapidshare.ru/1126863/66133/000_0063_01.MP4
It is only 12 seconds long. Like I said before, the artefacts are not as easy to see as in the previous clip, though they are definitely there. Also the clip is pretty noisy because I think I forgot to turn the ND filter off. |
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I can confirm the interlaced image issue. Like you, that's what i'm calling it – as the evidence from my camera is very compelling. I looked at your footage and could see the same thing I have seen with my HM100. It's hard to see in your footage as there's little movement in your shot but it is there nonetheless. I have had it in all files of 2 out of 4 shooting sessions that I have used the camera when I had it set to 1080 30p. See my full size frame grab exported directly from a file opened in QT Player. No processing of any kind apart from jpg-ing it for upload. You can see the pronounced lines which are one pixel high: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenless...77140/sizes/o/ JVC have my camera for this and other reasons and I hope to hear from them about the interlacing problem any day. |
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Does this happen in only 30p, or in 60p and 24p, too.
Please let us know what JVC says and if we need press for a recall. There is something strange about. And suddenly word is silent on the training DVD that is past due coming out (with a single copy turning up on Australian Ebay). It will be interesting to see what the announced firmware fix will be at the end of the month... or if news on that just goes silent, too. Last edited by Jack Walker; August 17th, 2009 at 10:11 PM. |
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