Specs for new GY-HM100 ProHD Camcorder

Tim Dashwood · February 15th, 2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Rogoz

I don't know about XDCAM, but my G5 (with 2.5 RAM) did just fine with DVCPRO HD footage. Correct me if I am wrong, but the bite rate in this one is somewhere in range 50mbps?

Bit rate will affect data transfer to and from the hard drives but DVCPRO will be much easier to decode for a processor than Mpeg2 (XDCAM.)

Alex Humphrey · February 18th, 2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by David Parks

I think too many people thought 24p would offer some huge advantage because it was compressing fewer frames, which is true. But, some had their faces so close to the monitor they were missing the obvious issues with judder and such.

Cheers.

Well I beg to differ about 30p being better than 24p. 30p is great for HD 720p broadcast or 1080i cross conversion broadcast, but fairly awful for downconversion to DVD or for international sales (Pal). NTSC DVD players decode 24p and 60i. 30p comes out as the worst of both formats rammed together in a train wreck. All the static straight lines of buildings and windows looking instead like venetian blinds buzzing in the wind at the lead edge of a hurricane.

Tyge Floyd · February 19th, 2009, 04:53 PM

I find it very frustrating that B & H already has the GY-HM100U listed on their web site at $3495 but nothing on the obviously much more anticipated GY-HM700U.

B & H Photo - JVC GY-HM100U - $3495

I called them today to see if I could get an answer as to when they would have it listed on their site and was told hopefully by April. Their web site states the GY-HM100U has an approx arrival of April. I wonder if the delivery of these new cameras is being pushed back to April instead of the original March date? Everything I've been reading on these cameras says March. Heck, March is only 10 days away! I hope we don't have to wait until April or later to see this camera in stores.

Salvatore Ferrante · February 20th, 2009, 01:22 PM

I've seen today a GY-HM100 sample in JVC Italy in Milan.
The camera is small, but has all described functions as in pdf on web site.
i can confirm that it will arrive after HM700, even if HM700 hasn't up today a defined price.

i've recorded something in 720/50p and 1080/50i.
i hope i can see these files soon.

Randy Johnson · February 21st, 2009, 04:26 PM

I hate to beat a dead horse but low light perfromance is pretty much key to what I do. Has anyone played enough with this camera to see how it performs against they current GY-HD100? and how the image quality is in comparison? Is it considered a step down from a GY-HD100? or up?

Paulo Teixeira · February 21st, 2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

I hate to beat a dead horse but low light perfromance is pretty much key to what I do. Has anyone played enough with this camera to see how it performs against they current GY-HD100? and how the image quality is in comparison? Is it considered a step down from a GY-HD100? or up?

I'm assuming your not talking about the HM100 and instead referring to the HM700 right?

The HM100 is in a different category than the HD100.
HM700 is a huge step up from the HD100.

Randy Johnson · February 21st, 2009, 09:08 PM

no I meant the 100, I was just wondering. I know it only has 1/4 inch chips but they have made some advancments in chips so I was wondering how they compared. I thought they were in different classes at first but if you look at a GY-HD100 without the big lens its not that much different than a GY-HM100. The HM100 records in a higher quality format over the GY-HD100 too. You cant really compare the GY-HM700 to a GY-HD100 its a $4,000 camera vs a $7000. The HM100 is the GY-HD100s price range.

Chris Hurd · February 21st, 2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

...if you look at a GY-HD100 without the big lens its not that much different than a GY-HM100.

No point in doing that though, because without the lens the HD100 is useless. It's more accurate to say that the HD100 & HD200 series cameras are very similar in size and shape to the HM700.

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You cant really compare the GY-HM700 to a GY-HD100 its a $4,000 camera vs a $7000.

It depends entirely on the configuration. An HD110 or HD200 with the Fuji 17x lens is $7200, roughly the same price as the HM700.

The proper comparison is obviously between the HD series and the HM700 since they are similar in size, weight, form factor (interchangeable lenses, etc.).

Salvatore Ferrante · February 22nd, 2009, 06:51 AM

i've seen a single file with lolux recorded by HM100.
i can't say if it's better of the HD100 files, but new chips on HM100 should be able to give a real improvement even with 1/4" size.
Another question (imho) is how much Full auto on HM100 is a good solution to get best results?
i felt you can reach the best only using manual settings.

Randy Johnson · February 22nd, 2009, 10:30 AM

I guess I was trying to point out the marketing side of it and what camera is replacing what camera. From where I sit it looks like the GY-HM100 is replacing the GY-HD100(110) and the GY-HM700 is replacing the GY-HD200(250) in a price point anyway. Thats why im curious to see if the HD100 is comparable to the GY-HD100 in specs.

Shaun Roemich · February 22nd, 2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

and the GY-HM700 is replacing the GY-HD200(250) in a price point anyway

Well, not quite REPLACING. The HM700 doesn't do Standard Def. I'm holding onto my 200's for the sole purposes of instant archiving to tape and the ability to shoot SD and hand tape over to clients OR for multicamera live switched applications where SD is required.

Chris Hurd · February 22nd, 2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

I guess I was trying to point out... what camera is replacing what camera.

The HM series does not "replace" the HD series. The HD series isn't going away just yet. The HM series is an expansion of the ProHD product line.

Ted Ramasola · February 22nd, 2009, 11:21 AM

Chris,

I dont know if this has been answered before, forgive me if it was, but did you and Tim get to test the hm700 in dark or low light conditions?

Ted

Chris Hurd · February 22nd, 2009, 03:12 PM

That's a question for Tim (I held it briefly while it was powered on in a low-light restaurant, but I didn't record anything). Tim had more hands-on time with it than I did.

Robert Rogoz · February 22nd, 2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

Bit rate will affect data transfer to and from the hard drives but DVCPRO will be much easier to decode for a processor than Mpeg2 (XDCAM.)

Tim, I just downloaded a sample in xdcam 1080/60i and G5 handles it all right.

February 19th, 2009, 04:53 PM	#138
Tyge Floyd Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft. Worth, Texas Posts: 287	I find it very frustrating that B & H already has the GY-HM100U listed on their web site at $3495 but nothing on the obviously much more anticipated GY-HM700U. B & H Photo - JVC GY-HM100U - $3495 I called them today to see if I could get an answer as to when they would have it listed on their site and was told hopefully by April. Their web site states the GY-HM100U has an approx arrival of April. I wonder if the delivery of these new cameras is being pushed back to April instead of the original March date? Everything I've been reading on these cameras says March. Heck, March is only 10 days away! I hope we don't have to wait until April or later to see this camera in stores. __________________ At full draw, Tyge Floyd

February 20th, 2009, 01:22 PM	#139
Salvatore Ferrante Tourist Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: san dona' di piave (italy) Posts: 4	today I've seen today a GY-HM100 sample in JVC Italy in Milan. The camera is small, but has all described functions as in pdf on web site. i can confirm that it will arrive after HM700, even if HM700 hasn't up today a defined price. i've recorded something in 720/50p and 1080/50i. i hope i can see these files soon.

February 22nd, 2009, 06:51 AM	#144
Salvatore Ferrante Tourist Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: san dona' di piave (italy) Posts: 4	low light in HM100 i've seen a single file with lolux recorded by HM100. i can't say if it's better of the HD100 files, but new chips on HM100 should be able to give a real improvement even with 1/4" size. Another question (imho) is how much Full auto on HM100 is a good solution to get best results? i felt you can reach the best only using manual settings.

February 22nd, 2009, 03:12 PM	#149
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	That's a question for Tim (I held it briefly while it was powered on in a low-light restaurant, but I didn't record anything). Tim had more hands-on time with it than I did. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 21st, 2009, 04:26 PM	#140
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	I hate to beat a dead horse but low light perfromance is pretty much key to what I do. Has anyone played enough with this camera to see how it performs against they current GY-HD100? and how the image quality is in comparison? Is it considered a step down from a GY-HD100? or up?

February 21st, 2009, 09:08 PM	#142
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	no I meant the 100, I was just wondering. I know it only has 1/4 inch chips but they have made some advancments in chips so I was wondering how they compared. I thought they were in different classes at first but if you look at a GY-HD100 without the big lens its not that much different than a GY-HM100. The HM100 records in a higher quality format over the GY-HD100 too. You cant really compare the GY-HM700 to a GY-HD100 its a $4,000 camera vs a $7000. The HM100 is the GY-HD100s price range.

February 22nd, 2009, 10:30 AM	#145
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	I guess I was trying to point out the marketing side of it and what camera is replacing what camera. From where I sit it looks like the GY-HM100 is replacing the GY-HD100(110) and the GY-HM700 is replacing the GY-HD200(250) in a price point anyway. Thats why im curious to see if the HD100 is comparable to the GY-HD100 in specs.

February 22nd, 2009, 11:21 AM	#148
Ted Ramasola Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Allen, Texas U.S.A Posts: 1,117	Chris, I dont know if this has been answered before, forgive me if it was, but did you and Tim get to test the hm700 in dark or low light conditions? Ted