TrueColor HD200/250 available! at DVinfo.net

Paolo Ciccone · May 27th, 2007, 01:45 AM

Hi all.

TrueColor for the HD200/250 is finally available. This configuration took a considerable amount of time and effort. I wanted to be absolutely sure that this was the most accurate reproduction of colors that I could obtain with the HD250. It took several different approaches but it's finally available. I wrote, like I did for the HD100, a complete walkthough of the process and there are images that can be downloaded and examined independently to verify the results presented.
All the material is available at my site: http://www.paolociccone.com

Enjoy!

Jaadgy Akanni · May 27th, 2007, 01:57 AM

Thank you so much Paolo. So many of us have been waiting for this. Tantissime grazie!

Joachim Claus · May 27th, 2007, 01:15 PM

Paolo,
first of all I like to thank you very much for your work. I liked your settings with my HD100 and now I will enter the data into my new HD200.

I have three questions:
1. You propose to set BLACK to NORMAL. Underneath this parameter there are two further settings, i.e., STRETCH LEVEL and COMPRESS LEVEL. To which values should the latter two be set?

2. With GAMMA you propose to set NORMAL. In my camera the values for GAMMA are: OFF, CINEMA, FILMOUT, STANDARD. Which value shall be set here, and which value shall be assihgned to LEVEL of the GAMMA setting?

3. Which value shall be set to COLOR GAIN ?

I would be pleased to get your answers.

BTW there are some difficulties in your web-pages with text which overlaps other text.

Best regards,
Joachim

Paolo Ciccone · May 27th, 2007, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joachim Claus

Paolo,
1. You propose to set BLACK to NORMAL. Underneath this parameter there are two further settings, i.e., STRETCH LEVEL and COMPRESS LEVEL. To which values should the latter two be set?

It doesn't matter because the black is not stretched nor compressed. Those values are to be modified if you find yourself in a situation where you need to modify the interpretation of black because of specific lighting conditions. As TrueColor is designed to produce an image that is as close to reality as possible, blacks are not stretched or compressed.

Quote:

GAMMA are: OFF, CINEMA, FILMOUT, STANDARD. Which value shall be set here, and which value shall be assihgned to LEVEL of the GAMMA setting?

My bad, it's meant to be Standard. Typo.

Quote:

3. Which value shall be set to COLOR GAIN ?

No gain.

Quote:

BTW there are some difficulties in your web-pages with text which overlaps other text.

Hmm, can't see it, except for the copyright notice at the end tht should be now fixed, together with the corrections that you mentioned. I tesetd it both with Firefox and Safari and they render it right. If you can provide a screen grab and information about your browser (name and version) I might be able to reproduce the case and put a workaround for it

Take care.

Tim Dashwood · May 27th, 2007, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulo Ciccone

No gain.

I think you must mean NORMAL gain. No color gain would render a B & W image.

Stephan Ahonen · May 27th, 2007, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

I think you must mean NORMAL gain. No color gain would render a B & W image.

So setting the gain switch on the side of the camera to "0 dB" should give you a black picture, right?

Paolo Ciccone · May 27th, 2007, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

I think you must mean NORMAL gain. No color gain would render a B & W image.

This setting has positive and negative values. "No gain" means no positive gain. To get a B&W picture you need to set the gain to negative values, in effect desaturating the image. Hence "no gain" means no increment or decrement, just keep it normal.

Jeffrey Butler · May 27th, 2007, 07:38 PM

Paolo - thanks for spending the effort and the time to post these settings.

I have been shooting with several variants for a while now, and can honestly say that your settings and others like them make the camera worth sooo much more.

I'm really glad that you and Tim and others are pursuing excellent color - those of us with JVC cameras can be especially grateful!!

Paolo Ciccone · May 27th, 2007, 11:25 PM

Thank you Jeffrey and thank you for testing the intermediate versions.
As much as I think that it's a good thing to have readily available versions of camera configurations I invite everyone interested in knowing more about the cameras to spend the time to read the article in its entirety. I tried to make the process as clear and as transparent as possible. Altough I verified the results many, many times I invite everyone to challenge and verify the results.

Eugen Oprina · May 28th, 2007, 04:12 AM

Paolo,
You are great.
E

Joachim Claus · May 28th, 2007, 07:42 AM

Paolo,
thank you very much for your clarification. I have set the Camera as you proposed and will see the results soon, going for vacations to Lake Garda, Italy.

The problems with the text in my browser will be reported by e-mail together wit a screen shot.

Best regards,
Joachim

Paolo Ciccone · May 28th, 2007, 11:52 AM

Hi Joachim.

Thanks for the email. I can't test my pages on IE8 but I found out that Opera on the Wii has the same issues. Both browsers have bugs related to the treatment of CSS-P elements. I converted the page to use the less precise but widely implemented tables and now it should display correctly. I'm posting here so that all people affected are now aware of the fix. I still suggest to use the more capable and standard-compliant Firefox.

Thanks for the help.

Marc Jayson · May 28th, 2007, 04:09 PM

Thank you for TC Paolo!
I've been waiing for this.

(hahaha, I also have a Wii)

Heath McKnight · May 28th, 2007, 04:15 PM

Interesting; I'll give it a shot on my friend's HD200.

heath

Thomas Bruegger · May 29th, 2007, 01:08 AM

Ciao Paolo, im very happy i can use TC3 on the HD200, im looking forward to the next project, thanks i really appreciate it!

Thomas

May 27th, 2007, 01:45 AM	#1
Paolo Ciccone Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 1,116	TrueColor HD200/250 available! Hi all. TrueColor for the HD200/250 is finally available. This configuration took a considerable amount of time and effort. I wanted to be absolutely sure that this was the most accurate reproduction of colors that I could obtain with the HD250. It took several different approaches but it's finally available. I wrote, like I did for the HD100, a complete walkthough of the process and there are images that can be downloaded and examined independently to verify the results presented. All the material is available at my site: http://www.paolociccone.com Enjoy! __________________ Paolo http://www.paolociccone.com Demo Reel

May 27th, 2007, 01:57 AM	#2
Jaadgy Akanni Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: new york city Posts: 346	Thank you so much Paolo. So many of us have been waiting for this. Tantissime grazie! __________________ I will be KING!

May 27th, 2007, 01:15 PM	#3
Joachim Claus Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany Posts: 132	True Color Questions Paolo, first of all I like to thank you very much for your work. I liked your settings with my HD100 and now I will enter the data into my new HD200. I have three questions: 1. You propose to set BLACK to NORMAL. Underneath this parameter there are two further settings, i.e., STRETCH LEVEL and COMPRESS LEVEL. To which values should the latter two be set? 2. With GAMMA you propose to set NORMAL. In my camera the values for GAMMA are: OFF, CINEMA, FILMOUT, STANDARD. Which value shall be set here, and which value shall be assihgned to LEVEL of the GAMMA setting? 3. Which value shall be set to COLOR GAIN ? I would be pleased to get your answers. BTW there are some difficulties in your web-pages with text which overlaps other text. Best regards, Joachim

May 27th, 2007, 07:38 PM	#8
Jeffrey Butler Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virgina, USA Posts: 276	Thanks Paolo - thanks for spending the effort and the time to post these settings. I have been shooting with several variants for a while now, and can honestly say that your settings and others like them make the camera worth sooo much more. I'm really glad that you and Tim and others are pursuing excellent color - those of us with JVC cameras can be especially grateful!! __________________ Jeff Butler Butler Films

May 27th, 2007, 11:25 PM	#9
Paolo Ciccone Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 1,116	Thank you Jeffrey and thank you for testing the intermediate versions. As much as I think that it's a good thing to have readily available versions of camera configurations I invite everyone interested in knowing more about the cameras to spend the time to read the article in its entirety. I tried to make the process as clear and as transparent as possible. Altough I verified the results many, many times I invite everyone to challenge and verify the results. __________________ Paolo http://www.paolociccone.com Demo Reel

May 28th, 2007, 04:12 AM	#10
Eugen Oprina Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bucharest Romania Posts: 221	Paolo, You are great. E

May 28th, 2007, 07:42 AM	#11
Joachim Claus Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany Posts: 132	Corrected True Color Values Paolo, thank you very much for your clarification. I have set the Camera as you proposed and will see the results soon, going for vacations to Lake Garda, Italy. The problems with the text in my browser will be reported by e-mail together wit a screen shot. Best regards, Joachim

May 28th, 2007, 11:52 AM	#12
Paolo Ciccone Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 1,116	CSS-P workaround in place Hi Joachim. Thanks for the email. I can't test my pages on IE8 but I found out that Opera on the Wii has the same issues. Both browsers have bugs related to the treatment of CSS-P elements. I converted the page to use the less precise but widely implemented tables and now it should display correctly. I'm posting here so that all people affected are now aware of the fix. I still suggest to use the more capable and standard-compliant Firefox. Thanks for the help. __________________ Paolo http://www.paolociccone.com Demo Reel

May 28th, 2007, 04:09 PM	#13
Marc Jayson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Hague, The Netherlands Posts: 112	Thank you for TC Paolo! I've been waiing for this. (hahaha, I also have a Wii)

May 28th, 2007, 04:15 PM	#14
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Interesting; I'll give it a shot on my friend's HD200. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

May 29th, 2007, 01:08 AM	#15
Thomas Bruegger New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: switzerland Posts: 20	Ciao Paolo, im very happy i can use TC3 on the HD200, im looking forward to the next project, thanks i really appreciate it! Thomas