JVC HD 201 and 35mm adaptors

Tyson Perkins · February 13th, 2007, 04:25 PM

Apparently the 200 is noisier than the 100?

Joel Aaron · February 13th, 2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyson Perkins

Apparently the 200 is noisier than the 100?

I don't think there are any tests on that yet. There was an indication that the HD-250 was less noisy than the HD-100 though... so who knows what's going on at this point. Someone's just going to have to do some side by side tests.

Phil Bloom · February 13th, 2007, 04:56 PM

are there any settings within the menus that can minimize this. I love the camera and would hate to send it back because of this. I just noticed it straight away the first time I shot with it. I never noticed this much noise with the z1, HVX or A1.

Joel Aaron · February 13th, 2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Bloom

are there any settings within the menus that can minimize this. I love the camera and would hate to send it back because of this. I just noticed it straight away the first time I shot with it. I never noticed this much noise with the z1, HVX or A1.

If it's noisier than an HVX then you've got problems IMHO. Reduce your detail setting to minimum and see what that does. Double check that you don't have automatic gain enabled by accident. It's possible to have the AGC mapped to the Low gain setting, check the "switch mode" to make sure it's not.

Never shoot F8 or higher. Dial in one of the scene file settings like Paulo's V2 or Panamatch to make sure you're not way off. Those were made for the HD-100 but hopefully the new cameras share similar settings. I do know the default HD-100 settings weren't very good.

Maybe some of the other wizards around here have better ideas...

Tyson Perkins · February 13th, 2007, 06:04 PM

Yes, i went on a shoot today and it was still quite gainy - im opting to send my cam back to the supplier on thursday - if those test results come up badly

Phil Bloom · February 13th, 2007, 06:29 PM

i am going to contact my sales rep and get him to contact jvc for me for a definitve answer. i was hoping it was just my camera but if others are experiencing similar probs...

Drew Curran · February 14th, 2007, 05:01 AM

Phil,

can you post a still image from your camera showing the noise.

I think my HD100 shows more noise than expected.

Ta

Andrew

Phil Bloom · February 14th, 2007, 06:25 AM

couple using the 35mm adaptor which help show up the noise better (the adaptor itself doesnt create noise) and a clean shot. You can see it clearly in any dark areas.

Tim Dashwood · February 14th, 2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Joel Aaron

Someone's just going to have to do some side by side tests.

At the moment I'm concentrating on testing the HD250/HZ-CA13U combo and new features. I will then move on to side-by-side with the HD100.
I have noticed a tiny bit of noise in dark areas, but I've been shooting with DNR off and black stretch 5. I will take a couple days and test all of the processing settings like I did with the HD100.
I'm squeezing this all in between my normal day-to-day gigs, so please bear with me.

Drew Curran · February 14th, 2007, 10:27 AM

Phil

Looking at your images, I often see similar noise levels on footage from my HD100 - especially in available light situations.

Its harder to spot when more lighting is added.

Andrew

Phil Bloom · February 14th, 2007, 12:00 PM

yeah...it isn't really acceptable as it is

Tyson Perkins · February 14th, 2007, 02:52 PM

Yes, but you would think they would have lowered the noise levels in the upgrade similarly - im getting even abit more than what is seen in Phil's images

Phil Bloom · February 15th, 2007, 03:51 AM

i have tweaked my short...graded it and changed a shot

Drew Curran · February 15th, 2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil Bloom

i have tweaked my short...graded it and changed a shot

Phil,

I like it. The music adds so much drama to the subject. Good work.

Thanks to you, I've just ordered a Brevis, as I find most of my work is done using available light.

I have a short film ready to shot in mid march, but I can't face doing it without the ability to play with DoF to get a more filmic look. I know there are tricks to achieve some DoF with the stock Fujinon lens, but its too limited.

Thanks for the test and footage.

Andrew

Phil Bloom · February 15th, 2007, 08:04 AM

yeah it's amazing how music can change what is simply just a few shots knocked off to test the jvc/ brevis combo out.

You will love the Brevis. Definately worth getting either the CF2 or CF3 too as it makes the stuff outside so much nicer. It is pretty easy to change. Takes about five minutes...but be careful as you can let dust in easily! Hopefully Dennis can get it to you in time...I know that the SGPro orders aren't being sent out till the end of March. That's the problem, demand for these has rocketed in the past couple of months making it hard for the guys to meet demand!

it's worth getting rods for the JVC and Brevis. Ones I would recommend are the ENG rods from DVRIG with 10cm extensions (you can specify and length you want from them), which will let you add a mattebox. http://www.dvtec.tv/id32.html

i agree, if you are used to using 2/3rd inch cameras shooting on a 1/3rd chip camera can be really upsetting when you can't get the shallow look.

If you need advice on what lenses to buy let me know!

Phil

February 13th, 2007, 04:56 PM	#33
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	are there any settings within the menus that can minimize this. I love the camera and would hate to send it back because of this. I just noticed it straight away the first time I shot with it. I never noticed this much noise with the z1, HVX or A1. __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 13th, 2007, 06:29 PM	#36
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	i am going to contact my sales rep and get him to contact jvc for me for a definitve answer. i was hoping it was just my camera but if others are experiencing similar probs... __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 14th, 2007, 05:01 AM	#37
Drew Curran Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: N. Ireland Posts: 370	Phil, can you post a still image from your camera showing the noise. I think my HD100 shows more noise than expected. Ta Andrew __________________ Pixol www.pixol.co www.facebook.com/pixolmedia www.twitter.com/pixolmedia

February 14th, 2007, 06:25 AM	#38
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	stills couple using the 35mm adaptor which help show up the noise better (the adaptor itself doesnt create noise) and a clean shot. You can see it clearly in any dark areas. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 14th, 2007, 10:27 AM	#40
Drew Curran Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: N. Ireland Posts: 370	Phil Looking at your images, I often see similar noise levels on footage from my HD100 - especially in available light situations. Its harder to spot when more lighting is added. Andrew __________________ Pixol www.pixol.co www.facebook.com/pixolmedia www.twitter.com/pixolmedia

February 13th, 2007, 04:25 PM	#31
Tyson Perkins Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 221	Apparently the 200 is noisier than the 100?

February 13th, 2007, 06:04 PM	#35
Tyson Perkins Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 221	Yes, i went on a shoot today and it was still quite gainy - im opting to send my cam back to the supplier on thursday - if those test results come up badly

February 14th, 2007, 12:00 PM	#41
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	yeah...it isn't really acceptable as it is __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 14th, 2007, 02:52 PM	#42
Tyson Perkins Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 221	Yes, but you would think they would have lowered the noise levels in the upgrade similarly - im getting even abit more than what is seen in Phil's images

February 15th, 2007, 03:51 AM	#43
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	i have tweaked my short...graded it and changed a shot __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 15th, 2007, 08:04 AM	#45
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	yeah it's amazing how music can change what is simply just a few shots knocked off to test the jvc/ brevis combo out. You will love the Brevis. Definately worth getting either the CF2 or CF3 too as it makes the stuff outside so much nicer. It is pretty easy to change. Takes about five minutes...but be careful as you can let dust in easily! Hopefully Dennis can get it to you in time...I know that the SGPro orders aren't being sent out till the end of March. That's the problem, demand for these has rocketed in the past couple of months making it hard for the guys to meet demand! it's worth getting rods for the JVC and Brevis. Ones I would recommend are the ENG rods from DVRIG with 10cm extensions (you can specify and length you want from them), which will let you add a mattebox. http://www.dvtec.tv/id32.html i agree, if you are used to using 2/3rd inch cameras shooting on a 1/3rd chip camera can be really upsetting when you can't get the shallow look. If you need advice on what lenses to buy let me know! Phil __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net