Where's the good stuff on the HD200?

Randy Braun · January 21st, 2007, 03:44 PM

Thanks for the welcome Brian,

You left out one important pro for the hd200. The $1000 rebate! However, I too am concerned about the previously mentioned noise issues. As to the NLE suppport, I use FCP 5.1.2.

Randy

Ronald Wilk · January 29th, 2007, 04:01 PM

Hi:

I am pleased to see that I am not the only soul with this dilemma. I have been rummaging through the multitude of posts regarding the H1 but there does not seem to be very much written about the HD250. Since much of my content will involve interviews, focus is clearly a critical issue and the HD 250 seems to have the H1 beat in that arena. Canon's image stabilization is nice, having used it frequently with my 1ds MKII, but probabably not a necessity in regards to my intended use for the camcorder. Based soley upon photos, it would appeare that the HD is more ergonomic than the H1 as well.

What are your thoughts on the 1080i capability of the H1 vs the 720p of the HD 250?

P.S. I too am using FCP 5.1.2. Are there compatibility issues between this software and the HD 250?

Best regards,
Ron

Phil Bloom · February 13th, 2007, 02:56 AM

There are definately some unsresolved issues with final cut pro and the JVC. I am having problems with capture with stop and starts and I do have the issue with noise in my picture

Adam Letch · February 13th, 2007, 03:13 AM

I vaguely, very vaguely cast my mind back to a time when I was considering the HVX200. And when it first came out the noise was deemed a big issue. It was later after trouble shooting partially resolved by changing the coring (is that the correct word - Barry knows) settings, and it was also noticed as being more noticeable under certain colour matrixes, for example cine gamma. Also I think they mentioned it to be more noticeable on different display types. Being a 1/3 inch chip theres going to be no doubt be noise, but maybe you guys can fiddle with the settings a bit, and read the hvx forums to see how they beat it, even if it is a different camera, maybe the principles can still apply?

cheers

Adam

Joel Aaron · February 13th, 2007, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Letch

I vaguely, very vaguely cast my mind back to a time when I was considering the HVX200. And when it first came out the noise was deemed a big issue. It was later after trouble shooting partially resolved by changing the coring (is that the correct word - Barry knows) settings, and it was also noticed as being more noticeable under certain colour matrixes, for example cine gamma. Also I think they mentioned it to be more noticeable on different display types. Being a 1/3 inch chip theres going to be no doubt be noise, but maybe you guys can fiddle with the settings a bit, and read the hvx forums to see how they beat it, even if it is a different camera, maybe the principles can still apply?

cheers

Adam

I dunno - I had a HVX200 and fiddled with all the settings (including everything Barry had to say etc.) and could never get it to look as good as a HD-100 at any setting with respect to noise. I owned both cameras for a month. But there clearly IS noise in the HD-100. It just doesn't bother me like the HVX noise did.

You guys should turn your detail down to minimum to see what that does...but every camera has noise. The Sony ZR1U might the cleanest of the bunch from what I've seen. Probably the Canon is next.

Justin Ferar · February 13th, 2007, 12:53 PM

We will finally receive our HD monitor on Thursday. Up until this point we've been shooting a little blind not having a chance to calibrate the cameras at all. Just shooting right out of the box.

No one has mentioned that the HD200 does have a "noise reduction" option buried pretty deep in the menu. I will be testing this once we get the monitor set up. My guess is that it may produce a little bit of blurring but we'll see.

Will be using the spanking new DT-V20L1U for evaluating the picture.

Cheers!

Marc Jayson · February 13th, 2007, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin Ferar

Will be using the spanking new DT-V20L1U for evaluating the picture.

Cheers!

He Justin,

I'm really looking forward to your test with the DT-V20L? I want to buy one to.
See keep me (us) posted...

Jemore Santos · February 13th, 2007, 03:38 PM

Does the HD200/250s' 24,25,30p framerate compatible with FCP 5.1.2?

Phil Bloom · February 13th, 2007, 04:53 PM

sort of but there are some issues with capture

January 29th, 2007, 04:01 PM	#17
Ronald Wilk Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boca Raton, Florida Posts: 116	H1 vs HD 250 Hi: I am pleased to see that I am not the only soul with this dilemma. I have been rummaging through the multitude of posts regarding the H1 but there does not seem to be very much written about the HD250. Since much of my content will involve interviews, focus is clearly a critical issue and the HD 250 seems to have the H1 beat in that arena. Canon's image stabilization is nice, having used it frequently with my 1ds MKII, but probabably not a necessity in regards to my intended use for the camcorder. Based soley upon photos, it would appeare that the HD is more ergonomic than the H1 as well. What are your thoughts on the 1080i capability of the H1 vs the 720p of the HD 250? P.S. I too am using FCP 5.1.2. Are there compatibility issues between this software and the HD 250? Best regards, Ron

February 13th, 2007, 02:56 AM	#18
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	There are definately some unsresolved issues with final cut pro and the JVC. I am having problems with capture with stop and starts and I do have the issue with noise in my picture __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 13th, 2007, 03:13 AM	#19
Adam Letch Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 414	picture noise I vaguely, very vaguely cast my mind back to a time when I was considering the HVX200. And when it first came out the noise was deemed a big issue. It was later after trouble shooting partially resolved by changing the coring (is that the correct word - Barry knows) settings, and it was also noticed as being more noticeable under certain colour matrixes, for example cine gamma. Also I think they mentioned it to be more noticeable on different display types. Being a 1/3 inch chip theres going to be no doubt be noise, but maybe you guys can fiddle with the settings a bit, and read the hvx forums to see how they beat it, even if it is a different camera, maybe the principles can still apply? cheers Adam

February 13th, 2007, 12:53 PM	#21
Justin Ferar Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Larkspur, CA Posts: 378	We will finally receive our HD monitor on Thursday. Up until this point we've been shooting a little blind not having a chance to calibrate the cameras at all. Just shooting right out of the box. No one has mentioned that the HD200 does have a "noise reduction" option buried pretty deep in the menu. I will be testing this once we get the monitor set up. My guess is that it may produce a little bit of blurring but we'll see. Will be using the spanking new DT-V20L1U for evaluating the picture. Cheers! __________________ www.justinferar.com www.weddingsonfilm.com

February 13th, 2007, 03:38 PM	#23
Jemore Santos Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tokyo/Sydney Posts: 297	Does the HD200/250s' 24,25,30p framerate compatible with FCP 5.1.2? __________________ "eyes through a digital world"

January 21st, 2007, 03:44 PM	#16
Randy Braun Tourist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Del Rey, CA Posts: 2	Thanks for the welcome Brian, You left out one important pro for the hd200. The $1000 rebate! However, I too am concerned about the previously mentioned noise issues. As to the NLE suppport, I use FCP 5.1.2. Randy

February 13th, 2007, 04:53 PM	#24
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	sort of but there are some issues with capture __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net