GY-HD250U now shipping

Daniel Patton · October 28th, 2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Hicks

Daniel, Stephan is exactly correct here. All CCD's output analog signals, and then the analog signal is digitized by an A/D converter. The higher the bit rate of the A/D converter, the more accurate the digital signal is compared to the raw analog signal.

The HD-SDI signal will be the best quality output from the camera.

The new 14 bit A/D is on the front-end of the camera electronics, so it affects and improves performance to tape, HDD, and to all of the live outputs.

Regards,

Thanks Stephan and Carl,

I misunderstood how the CCD's processed the signal, I thought it was digital from the CCD and then went conversion to analog to go out the component. I believe I had it backwards Thanks for clearing that up for me.

It's good to hear that the 14 bit A/D is on the front end and that everything will equally benifit from this improvement. More the reason to upgrade for us then. Is Diana still our contact (South-East) to get a 250 in for some hands on testing?

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Originally Posted by Mark Silva

Daniel, whats the issue here?
We get a fine picture from our HD100 through component capture on a black magic multibridge extreme.

Mark, we get a fine picture as well, better than we once did via HDV for sure, but I believe it can still be improved. When we are trying to squeeze every ounce (or pixel) out of a 1/3 inch CCD camera, so that we can do more in post... if SDI improves this even by a little, then for us it's worth consideration. Nothing comes close to the HD100 for the money and I would hope that the 250 continues to give us the same warm fuzzes. Not to offend anyone but we also have our money on RED, but it's yet to be released and we need working cost effective (all relative to budget) solution today. I'm ready to run the 250 through it's paces. ;)

Stephan Ahonen · October 28th, 2006, 06:34 AM

The HD250's downright cheap even at list. Try pricing broadcast 720p camcorders some time and see what kind of numbers you come up with. And also take into consideration the fact that the market for broadcast equipment is incredibly tiny and manufacturers simply don't have the same economies of scale to work with as manufacturers of consumer products.

Also note that the HD250 is about the same price as the XLH1. If you could get either the XLH1 or the HD250 for the same price, which would you choose? For me, progressive scan and a proper lens just can't be beat.

Joe Carney · October 28th, 2006, 09:15 AM

Will the 200 be available through B&H?

Marc Jayson · October 28th, 2006, 03:54 PM

I don't know if this was asked before, but are the HD-100/110 scene files (.SCN) compatible with the 200/250?

Carl Hicks · October 29th, 2006, 09:50 PM

Daniel,

Please send me an e-mail so I can e-mail you the info you need to arrange a demo of a GY-HD250U.

Regards,

Carl Hicks · October 29th, 2006, 09:51 PM

Marc

Good question. I'll try to find out.

Thanks,

Daniel Patton · October 29th, 2006, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks

Daniel,

Please send me an e-mail so I can e-mail you the info you need to arrange a demo of a GY-HD250U.

Regards,

Thanks, done.

Marc Jayson · November 1st, 2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Hicks

Marc

Good question. I'll try to find out.

Thanks,

Hi Carl,

The dutch JVC Pro distributor told me today that the scene files aren't compatible. I think that HD-200/250 user can use the recipes and enter the compatible parameters manually.

Dave Beaty · November 2nd, 2006, 07:02 AM

Speaking of highend HD, I just had a demo of the new HDX 900 2/3 DVCProHD camera. While the form factor and imager is really excellent.

The image isn't noticably better than the better than the HD100 when set up side by side. When you consider the $42k price with lens and viewfinder, it makes you realize what great value the HD including the 250 series is.

Dave Beaty

Shawn Alyasiri · November 2nd, 2006, 09:52 AM

Thanks for all of the updates and info.

Can you speak to the light sensitivity? Similar to the HD100 (I thought that was F8@2000)? I didn't know if that was in 24p with 1/48th shutter or if it was 30p at 1/60th either.

Shy to discuss this - but is the front end similar as well? Of course there was a lot of conversation about SSE 'back in the day'. My HD100 was tweaked to accommodate & optimize against it. Just wondering...

Glad to see the release - great set of cams...

Carl Hicks · November 2nd, 2006, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Beaty

Speaking of highend HD, I just had a demo of the new HDX 900 2/3 DVCProHD camera. While the form factor and imager is really excellent.

The image isn't noticably better than the better than the HD100 when set up side by side. When you consider the $42k price with lens and viewfinder, it makes you realize what great value the HD including the 250 series is.

Dave Beaty

With the GY-HD series cameras having the same native 1280 x 720 resolution as DVCPro HD cameras, and with the GY-HD250U's new 14 bit A/D and new encoder and HDSDI out, I think that with comparable lenses on both cameras, it would be very difficult to see much difference.

Carl Hicks · November 2nd, 2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawn Alyasiri

Thanks for all of the updates and info.

Can you speak to the light sensitivity? Similar to the HD100 (I thought that was F8@2000)? I didn't know if that was in 24p with 1/48th shutter or if it was 30p at 1/60th either.

Shy to discuss this - but is the front end similar as well? Of course there was a lot of conversation about SSE 'back in the day'. My HD100 was tweaked to accommodate & optimize against it. Just wondering...

Glad to see the release - great set of cams...

Hi Shawn ,

Light sensitivity of the GY-HD200 and GY-HD250 is about the same as the GY-HD100 / 110 cameras.

SSE is a non-issue now - resolved a long time ago. And, with the new camera's 14 bit A/D, we can make even more accurate calibration adjustments than ever before.

Regards,

Steven Thomas · November 2nd, 2006, 08:13 PM

Man,
I'm having a hard time reading this thread.
I'm now wishing to own the HD200 or HD250!

Although, I'm still really pleased with the HD100.

Steve

Steve Mullen · November 2nd, 2006, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks

David, The GY-HD200 is planned to have the same improved electronics as the GY-HD250.

Carl, when will we get details about the inner workings of the lens converter?

Jaadgy Akanni · November 2nd, 2006, 08:40 PM

It seems that JVC is "intentionally" not promoting the release of the HD200 so much, as if not to sour or discourage people from buying the HD110. I for one, instead of getting the HD110 will wait 'til the HD200 comes out because all the improvements make it worth the wait, especially the image inversion, as I use a 35mm adapter and flipping the image will make life so much easier.

October 28th, 2006, 09:15 AM	#18
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Will the 200 be available through B&H? __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

October 29th, 2006, 09:50 PM	#20
Carl Hicks JVC America Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 516	Daniel, Please send me an e-mail so I can e-mail you the info you need to arrange a demo of a GY-HD250U. Regards, __________________ Carl Hicks JVC Professional Products Company

October 29th, 2006, 09:51 PM	#21
Carl Hicks JVC America Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 516	Marc Good question. I'll try to find out. Thanks, __________________ Carl Hicks JVC Professional Products Company

November 2nd, 2006, 08:40 PM	#30
Jaadgy Akanni Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: new york city Posts: 346	It seems that JVC is "intentionally" not promoting the release of the HD200 so much, as if not to sour or discourage people from buying the HD110. I for one, instead of getting the HD110 will wait 'til the HD200 comes out because all the improvements make it worth the wait, especially the image inversion, as I use a 35mm adapter and flipping the image will make life so much easier. __________________ I will be KING!

October 28th, 2006, 06:34 AM	#17
Stephan Ahonen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 512	The HD250's downright cheap even at list. Try pricing broadcast 720p camcorders some time and see what kind of numbers you come up with. And also take into consideration the fact that the market for broadcast equipment is incredibly tiny and manufacturers simply don't have the same economies of scale to work with as manufacturers of consumer products. Also note that the HD250 is about the same price as the XLH1. If you could get either the XLH1 or the HD250 for the same price, which would you choose? For me, progressive scan and a proper lens just can't be beat.

October 28th, 2006, 03:54 PM	#19
Marc Jayson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Hague, The Netherlands Posts: 112	I don't know if this was asked before, but are the HD-100/110 scene files (.SCN) compatible with the 200/250?

November 2nd, 2006, 07:02 AM	#24
Dave Beaty Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Posts: 240	Speaking of highend HD, I just had a demo of the new HDX 900 2/3 DVCProHD camera. While the form factor and imager is really excellent. The image isn't noticably better than the better than the HD100 when set up side by side. When you consider the $42k price with lens and viewfinder, it makes you realize what great value the HD including the 250 series is. Dave Beaty

November 2nd, 2006, 09:52 AM	#25
Shawn Alyasiri Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 256	Thanks for all of the updates and info. Can you speak to the light sensitivity? Similar to the HD100 (I thought that was F8@2000)? I didn't know if that was in 24p with 1/48th shutter or if it was 30p at 1/60th either. Shy to discuss this - but is the front end similar as well? Of course there was a lot of conversation about SSE 'back in the day'. My HD100 was tweaked to accommodate & optimize against it. Just wondering... Glad to see the release - great set of cams...

November 2nd, 2006, 08:13 PM	#28
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Man, I'm having a hard time reading this thread. I'm now wishing to own the HD200 or HD250! Although, I'm still really pleased with the HD100. Steve