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March 25th, 2007, 08:48 AM | #76 |
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You can only tell if something is worth the money when you see the figures for developing the product. From what I've read this hasn't been that easy - the simplest route would been some form of ground glass device. However, most of the cheaper adapters to date use the stock zoom lens that already has CA.
The cost is compatible with the new cost of PL mount lenses that you'd be using. Although, Optar prime lenses cost around $2600 each, the Zeiss Master Primes are listed at over $18,000 each. I haven't seen a quality second hand PL mount lens for $400. The sales volume will also need to be factored in: only a small percentage of JVC cameras will be using these adapters. JVC seem to see film schools that already have 16mm camera kits as a potential market. They'll be aiming it at low budget features and dramas, which can't afford the higher end HD cameras, but have enough to put higher quality glass onto the cameras. Although, it'll be reduced gap using a HD250 with the adapter and extremely basic rigs from RED and SI. I'd imagine JVC see the Mini 35 as the pricing point. |
March 25th, 2007, 09:34 AM | #77 |
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The R&D that went into this product are certainly extensive, and with a fairly limited market probably this amortization is a larger part of the price than the manufacturing.
However, perhaps the research could be applied to a new, similar product for a wider lower-end market at a lower price point, keeping this for it's specialized area (film schools, rental houses, larger budget films). I'm thinking about a nikon 35mm slr lens mount with this optical path. Ideally we'd want to have the 35mm frame resolved on the 1/3" chip, but even if it were 16mm equivalent for DOF, which is what my admittedly non-expert understanding is what would occur with the current optics and 35mm lens - it would still be very useful. It really is much more attractive than using a standard lens/moving ground glass based adapter. If they could make it for $1500 everyone with this camera series would be looking at it (and the market for used mf nikon lenses on ebay would blow way up!)
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March 25th, 2007, 11:58 AM | #78 |
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Whatever the argumnts used to justify the JVC adapter, I agree with Robert completely on that its price is totally disproportionate with its potential market placing.
Paying for the adapter almost as much as the camera itself is completely crazy. |
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The HZ CA131U does make a bit more sense on the HD 200 and DH 250 than the HD 110. Unfortunately, the more specialized kit becomes, the smaller the volume of production and so it only gets manufactured in small batches. |
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March 25th, 2007, 12:39 PM | #80 |
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You should think yourselves lucky living in the US. I live in the UK and the price I was quoted for the adapter was £5000 + 17.5% VAT. That equates to 9,806 USD. I often ask myself how much longer must we pay higher prices for our equipment here in the UK?
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In this case, the adapter was made for 16mm lenses, not 35mm. And I believe the reasoning behind the price tag might be "compared to 16mm film camera", or something like that. These adapters should be extensive to 35mm photo lenses, when the high price argument crumbles down. Quote:
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I think Redrock, Brevis, Letus, etc will still enjoy great success that segment of the market. The market of the HZ-CA13U will be film schools, small production companies (music videos, pilots, commercials,) even corporate/industrial production companies. The ability to use high quality prime lenses (as well as snorkels, shift/tilts, anamorphics, etc) and resolve an unaberrated resolution as good as the Fujinon 13x3.5mm lens ($12000?) will be the main selling feature. The ability to use longer focal lengths than 1/3" to achieve shorter DoF, and the ability to shoot in low-light, is just the icing on the cake. Quote:
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I reviewed it for Videography magazine and that article should be in the next issue. I will also provide supplemental samples on my website when that review is published.
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US prices tend not to include the sales taxes, which can come as a surprise if you're not expecting them. |
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April 9th, 2007, 06:17 PM | #84 |
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So with the 16mm adaptor, is the image in the 110U flipped?
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Yes, the image will be flipped on the HD100 or HD110
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July 23rd, 2007, 09:46 AM | #86 |
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where can i rent this?
Hi Carl,
Can you list the US rental houses that have purchased the adapter for rental? Thanks. |
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For those that don't know, if you have cineforms' hdlink for either Aspect or the new Neo codec, it will 'flip' it back to upright during capture from tape. So in theory, you can use this with the HD100, just have to turn your monitors upside down for preview.
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