'Progressive look' not there in HDV25p... at DVinfo.net

David Scattergood · September 12th, 2006, 05:03 AM

I'm currently filming in DV25p as I have no current workflow to play with HDV as yet (immiently to change I hope!). The 'filmic' juddery feel is right there and with careful pans and subject placings I get just the look I was after. However, in HDV25p when filming this look is not there until playback (same with 24p?) - therefore unless you've pretty much mastered the progressive filming art I'm guessing it's likely you would mess up a couple of takes?
Unless DV 25p is not really true progressive and this is a 'synthesised' look where as HDV25/24 is and the results are only noticed on playback...am I making sense?!?!?

Yours, almost getting there...
dave

Werner Wesp · September 12th, 2006, 05:45 AM

No - the reason is that you can see 50p in the viewfinder that comes from the camera-head. Only 25 frames are recorded to tape. It is true progressive, but you can't see it at the viewfinder (which is indeed really too bad...)

David Scattergood · September 12th, 2006, 05:52 AM

Thanks Werner Wesp - Is that a problem native to this particular camera...although saying that there isn't such a huge market of HDV progressive camera's at the moment is there?
Obviously many of you have been using the 24/25p with no problems so is it a case of careful planning of shots?
Cheers.

Werner Wesp · September 12th, 2006, 08:05 AM

It is particular to this camcorder indeed. I have one and most of the time it doesn't constitute a problem - but sometimes it's irritating: e.g. you can't SEE if you're panning at the right speed...

David Scattergood · September 12th, 2006, 08:16 AM

Thanks for the confirmation Werner. I guess I'm best 'practicing' with the DV 25p until I'm comfortable with the results - then begin to use HDV 25p (true progressive).

September 12th, 2006, 05:03 AM	#1
David Scattergood Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 755	'Progressive look' not there in HDV25p... I'm currently filming in DV25p as I have no current workflow to play with HDV as yet (immiently to change I hope!). The 'filmic' juddery feel is right there and with careful pans and subject placings I get just the look I was after. However, in HDV25p when filming this look is not there until playback (same with 24p?) - therefore unless you've pretty much mastered the progressive filming art I'm guessing it's likely you would mess up a couple of takes? Unless DV 25p is not really true progressive and this is a 'synthesised' look where as HDV25/24 is and the results are only noticed on playback...am I making sense?!?!? Yours, almost getting there... dave Last edited by David Scattergood; September 12th, 2006 at 05:54 AM.

September 12th, 2006, 05:45 AM	#2
Werner Wesp Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 497	No - the reason is that you can see 50p in the viewfinder that comes from the camera-head. Only 25 frames are recorded to tape. It is true progressive, but you can't see it at the viewfinder (which is indeed really too bad...)

September 12th, 2006, 05:52 AM	#3
David Scattergood Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 755	Thanks Werner Wesp - Is that a problem native to this particular camera...although saying that there isn't such a huge market of HDV progressive camera's at the moment is there? Obviously many of you have been using the 24/25p with no problems so is it a case of careful planning of shots? Cheers.

September 12th, 2006, 08:05 AM	#4
Werner Wesp Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 497	It is particular to this camcorder indeed. I have one and most of the time it doesn't constitute a problem - but sometimes it's irritating: e.g. you can't SEE if you're panning at the right speed...

September 12th, 2006, 08:16 AM	#5
David Scattergood Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 755	Thanks for the confirmation Werner. I guess I'm best 'practicing' with the DV 25p until I'm comfortable with the results - then begin to use HDV 25p (true progressive).