Corrupted hd100 footage

Jonathan Nelson · July 18th, 2006, 02:01 AM

I just finished doing some color tests with my hd100 and almost half the tape is corrupt. Half the bottom screen is artifacted during playback but when I saved a frame grab using ppro2.0 (prohd 24p), this is what I got:

http://avistudios.com/hd100grabs/frame223.bmp

I don't know what to make of it but what bothers me is that I sometimes video tape events and this would really be a problem. I use the Sony premium tapes that are cheap but in all my canon years, they have been perfect!

I loaded a new tape from a different package and it had the same problem but it only happened for a minute and the rest of the footage was fine except for this frame with the big black rectangle:

http://avistudios.com/hd100grabs/frame12.bmp

Most of the footage that I have seen from my hd100s have been great except every now and then I see a little artifact. Even in sd there are little blips here and there. I never had this problem before so my stress levels are getting high since I have a wedding shoot this weekend.

Have anybody experienced this before with thier hd100?

If I am a rare case then I will replace my hd100 since I am still under 30 days. I could try different tape but I just can't see why the Sony tapes could be this bad.

I really appreciate your input :)

Drew Curran · July 18th, 2006, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Nelson

I don't know what to make of it but what bothers me is that I sometimes video tape events and this would really be a problem. I use the Sony premium tapes that are cheap but in all my canon years, they have been perfect!

If I am a rare case then I will replace my hd100 since I am still under 30 days. I could try different tape but I just can't see why the Sony tapes could be this bad.

I really appreciate your input :)

Jonathan
There are other discussions regarding the same issues you are having, which state that other brands of tape are not guaranteed to work successfully with the HD100.

see: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70699

I use JVC ProHD tapes and haven't had any problems. Thay are more expensive, but I also shoot weddings and events, so I want to minimise the risks. When someone releases a HD recorder that is not extortionately priced, I'll buy one.

I wonder are other cameras from Sony, Canon and Pannasonic having the same issues?

Andrew

Jonathan Nelson · July 18th, 2006, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew Curran

Jonathan
There are other discussions regarding the same issues you are having, which state that other brands of tape are not guaranteed to work successfully with the HD100.

see: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70699

I use JVC ProHD tapes and haven't had any problems. Thay are more expensive, but I also shoot weddings and events, so I want to minimise the risks. When someone releases a HD recorder that is not extortionately priced, I'll buy one.

I wonder are other cameras from Sony, Canon and Pannasonic having the same issues?

Andrew

My xl2 and gl2 have never had any problems with the sony tape. That is all I have ever used.

I just put in an order for some prohd tapes. Hopefully they will solve my problem but I still can't believe that all these sony tapes are this bad! It happens the same on sd too. I have used these with great success in the past but this hd100 must be a completely different animal, a very picky animal.

I have not had one flawless tape yet.

About the prohd tape: Should I clean the heads using a standard dry cleaning tape before using the prohd tape?

Yoochul Chong · July 18th, 2006, 07:59 AM

i see little blips here and there with the jvc pro hd tapes as well.

K. Forman · July 18th, 2006, 08:16 AM

I'm also using the $10 a pop JVC tapes, and I see red... literally. I have at least two clips where the whole frame is solid red for about 9 frames, the fading back to the image. I also have a little of the lower 3rd breaking up as well.

Have you tried calling JVC yet? I called yesterday, and got the recorded message that I was number 0 in the que. After about 10 minutes of crappy muzac and the message that all assistants are busy, I get a fellow who gives me another number to call. So I call it, and get the JVC Pro line, and the message that my wait time will be 1 minute. After another 5-10 minutes of muzac and recorded messages, I get the same guy, who says "In my limited experience, you need to either send the camera to an authorized JVC service center, or send it back to the dealer and get a replacement".

Dennis Stevens · July 18th, 2006, 09:27 AM

Seeing this post and others, this is annoyingly starting to look like a pattern.

I taped about 20 minutes with a fair amount of panning, and no problem.

Then I taped about an hour in a different location, and it seemed whenever I panned a bit, I had problems.

Next I taped about 25 minutes outside, and I had a problem everytime the camera moved.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen the problem when the camera moved? I'm going to try cleaning the heads to see if that makes a difference... anyone try that?

Anyone using any of the DTE solutions seeing this? Sounds like some people are having a lot of problems, others not having any.

Tim Dashwood · July 18th, 2006, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Stevens

this is annoyingly starting to look like a pattern.

I agree. Let's get to the bottom of this. Can everyone who is having these symptoms please state:

whether your HD100 is an 'A' version or not
what frame rate you shot at
what NLE & codec you used to capture
what brand and type of tape you used

thanks,

Dennis Stevens · July 18th, 2006, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

[*]whether your HD100 is an 'A' version or not[*]what NLE & codec you used to capture[*]what brand and type of tape you used[/list]
thanks,

I agree with anyone who agrees with me!

I do have the 'A' version
Using Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0, 720p30
JVC ProHD tapes

K. Forman · July 18th, 2006, 10:00 AM

I'm the same as Dennis, "A" model, JVC HD pro tapes, PP2, 30P. And I've only run the one tape, but no problems with motion.

Tim Dashwood · July 18th, 2006, 10:15 AM

Dennis and Keith,

That is either a pattern or pure coincidence.

Can you do me a favour and watch the footage straight off of the tape on the camera?

If you both see it on the original tape, then we can disregard PP2 as the problem. However, if you cannot see the defect on the tape, then please try capturing the clip with a different NLE or program (CapDVHS, AspectHD demo) and report back.

Dennis Stevens · July 18th, 2006, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

Dennis and Keith,

That is either a pattern or pure coincidence.

Can you do me a favour and watch the footage straight off of the tape on the camera?

When I watch on the tape I see little artifacts, but not what I see on the NLE. Seems like a small glitch on the tape is becoming a big problem when I capture?

Also, I was noticing I captured to an external drive over a Firewire 800 connection. Maybe that was OK for standard def, but I'll try recapturing directly to the hard drive.

K. Forman · July 18th, 2006, 10:30 AM

I see everything the same, whether on the cam or the NLE. Wouldn't it just be ironic, that these $10 JVC Pro HD tapes don't work with the JVC cam?

Tim Dashwood · July 18th, 2006, 10:42 AM

OK. One last request. Can you please use a program like CapDVHS to capture a small m2t of the problem area and email it to me? tim@timdashwood.com Please make sure it is under 10MB. thanks.

K. Forman · July 18th, 2006, 10:52 AM

Tim- there are two threads I have the clips posted in. One is http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71195 , and the other is in http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70188

The other issues, I'm way less concerned with. I am really feeling lazy, and don't want to hook up the cam and search for the glitches... please, don't make me?

Tim Dashwood · July 18th, 2006, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Forman

Tim- there are two threads I have the clips posted in. One is http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71195 , and the other is in http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70188

The other issues, I'm way less concerned with. I am really feeling lazy, and don't want to hook up the cam and search for the glitches... please, don't make me?

Sorry Keith,
I can't help you find the problem with an avi or wmv because they've already gone through post-processing. I need to analyze an original m2t and determine

IF there is a dropout
If only PP2 reacts this way to the dropout

Sorry.

July 18th, 2006, 02:01 AM	#1
Jonathan Nelson Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kingman Arizona Posts: 298	Corrupted hd100 footage - What is up? I just finished doing some color tests with my hd100 and almost half the tape is corrupt. Half the bottom screen is artifacted during playback but when I saved a frame grab using ppro2.0 (prohd 24p), this is what I got: http://avistudios.com/hd100grabs/frame223.bmp I don't know what to make of it but what bothers me is that I sometimes video tape events and this would really be a problem. I use the Sony premium tapes that are cheap but in all my canon years, they have been perfect! I loaded a new tape from a different package and it had the same problem but it only happened for a minute and the rest of the footage was fine except for this frame with the big black rectangle: http://avistudios.com/hd100grabs/frame12.bmp Most of the footage that I have seen from my hd100s have been great except every now and then I see a little artifact. Even in sd there are little blips here and there. I never had this problem before so my stress levels are getting high since I have a wedding shoot this weekend. Have anybody experienced this before with thier hd100? If I am a rare case then I will replace my hd100 since I am still under 30 days. I could try different tape but I just can't see why the Sony tapes could be this bad. I really appreciate your input :)

July 18th, 2006, 08:16 AM	#5
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I'm also using the $10 a pop JVC tapes, and I see red... literally. I have at least two clips where the whole frame is solid red for about 9 frames, the fading back to the image. I also have a little of the lower 3rd breaking up as well. Have you tried calling JVC yet? I called yesterday, and got the recorded message that I was number 0 in the que. After about 10 minutes of crappy muzac and the message that all assistants are busy, I get a fellow who gives me another number to call. So I call it, and get the JVC Pro line, and the message that my wait time will be 1 minute. After another 5-10 minutes of muzac and recorded messages, I get the same guy, who says "In my limited experience, you need to either send the camera to an authorized JVC service center, or send it back to the dealer and get a replacement". __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

July 18th, 2006, 10:00 AM	#9
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I'm the same as Dennis, "A" model, JVC HD pro tapes, PP2, 30P. And I've only run the one tape, but no problems with motion. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

July 18th, 2006, 10:15 AM	#10
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	Dennis and Keith, That is either a pattern or pure coincidence. Can you do me a favour and watch the footage straight off of the tape on the camera? If you both see it on the original tape, then we can disregard PP2 as the problem. However, if you cannot see the defect on the tape, then please try capturing the clip with a different NLE or program (CapDVHS, AspectHD demo) and report back. __________________ Tim Dashwood

July 18th, 2006, 10:30 AM	#12
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I see everything the same, whether on the cam or the NLE. Wouldn't it just be ironic, that these $10 JVC Pro HD tapes don't work with the JVC cam? __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

July 18th, 2006, 07:59 AM	#4
Yoochul Chong Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 72	i see little blips here and there with the jvc pro hd tapes as well.

July 18th, 2006, 09:27 AM	#6
Dennis Stevens Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 425	Seeing this post and others, this is annoyingly starting to look like a pattern. I taped about 20 minutes with a fair amount of panning, and no problem. Then I taped about an hour in a different location, and it seemed whenever I panned a bit, I had problems. Next I taped about 25 minutes outside, and I had a problem everytime the camera moved. Just wondering if anyone else has seen the problem when the camera moved? I'm going to try cleaning the heads to see if that makes a difference... anyone try that? Anyone using any of the DTE solutions seeing this? Sounds like some people are having a lot of problems, others not having any.

July 18th, 2006, 10:42 AM	#13
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	OK. One last request. Can you please use a program like CapDVHS to capture a small m2t of the problem area and email it to me? tim@timdashwood.com Please make sure it is under 10MB. thanks. __________________ Tim Dashwood

July 18th, 2006, 10:52 AM	#14
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Tim- there are two threads I have the clips posted in. One is http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71195 , and the other is in http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70188 The other issues, I'm way less concerned with. I am really feeling lazy, and don't want to hook up the cam and search for the glitches... please, don't make me? __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us