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July 6th, 2006, 12:56 PM
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Differences between HD100, HD110, HD200, and HD250
Looking at the press releases, I have been having trouble determining which features are unique to each model, which where enhancement also included in later versions (e.g., HD100-HD110), and in some cases, exactly what the difference was. An example was the enhanced Codec and 720/60p recording. Does the HD110 share the new codec? How do they record 60p? Does the 16mm lens adapter fit all of the cameras? Do you need an HD250 to record synchronized sound externally?
Additionally, where other lens announced? If so, were their prices and availablity announced? Is there a master chart of the features? Did I my search miss threads that answered these questions? Should I just sit tight until the cameras are out at the end of the year? Thanks, David |
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July 6th, 2006, 03:03 PM
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When I heard about the 110 I knew there would be some confusion in the marketplace. I'll attempt to explain the differences, but maybe Carl can confirm my accuracy.
The first thing to keep in mind is that (as far as I know) each "higher" model number will contain the feature set of any of the lower numbers. So for example, the HD250 has all the features of the HD200, plus some other additions. We all know what the HD100 has, but the HD110 will additionally have:
The HD200 should have all the features of the HD110 (Is this right Carl?) as well as:
The HD250 will have all the features of the HD200 as well as:
Yes, the HZ-CA13U 16mm PL mount adapter will fit all of the cameras, including the original HD100. However, operating with the HD100 and a 16mm lens will be difficult because up will be down and right will be left. There were new lenses announced at NAB. Two from Fujinon and one from Canon. Please read my report from NAB for more info. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=66002
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August 17th, 2006, 07:23 PM
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But only $1,000 more for all that extra on the HD250:
Go figure. |
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August 17th, 2006, 07:29 PM
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The HD250 does not include a lens for the base price. I have read that the new encoder is the main increase in expense in the new 200/250 cameras. Thus, there may not necessarily be a huge difference between the 200 and 250 as both cameras share the same encoder (the basic price increase) and the 250 then has additional connectors, wiring, etc., for the extra cost, and don't forget to add the cost of the lens. Since the 250 is more studio oriented, I presume many users would want a different lens for that use than they would for the primary uses of the 100, 110 and 200. I have also read that pricing is not final. I just bought an HD110 and it cost a little more than what the HD100 was selling for, but no battery promotion. The HD110 and HD111 in Europe are significantly more than the HD100 and HD101... though there is currently a promotion in many countries in Europe giving away Avid Liquid. |
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August 18th, 2006, 01:51 AM
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I still think the HD250 packs much more for less. The enconder can't be that much more. Isn't it basically just a codec update? |
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August 18th, 2006, 02:00 AM
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http://www.avid.com/exchange/forums/thread/131035.aspx It is my understanding that the 200/250 have an entirely new encoder with different chips. Twice as much data must be processed in the same amount of time. The current encoder physically cannot process HDV 60p. |
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August 18th, 2006, 11:00 AM
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As for the 250 camera add an extra couple thousand to that price tag to buy a lens since it doesn't come with one. This means the 250 will end up costing a lot more than the 200. |
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August 18th, 2006, 11:04 AM
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The way I look at it is
HD100 is still fine if all you will ever do is straight 24p work. HD200 is great for people shooting 60p for broadcast work on the road. HD250 is great for 60p broadcast work in a studio. Even for 24p work however the HD200 may be better because of the newer design for the encoder chip. The quality may be a little bit better and some artifact issues may be resolved. We will not really know for sure until somebody actually has a HD200. |
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August 18th, 2006, 12:53 PM
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Will that 60p not give you an option for real slow motion too?
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August 18th, 2006, 02:04 PM
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S. Noe has tutorials on line that show how to do this in Avid Liquid. |
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