Texas Shootout m2t's please. at DVinfo.net

Stephen L. Noe · June 22nd, 2006, 07:22 PM

Hi guys,

You may have read the latest camera comparison from dv.com from our own Chris Hurd, Nate Weaver and Adam Wilt (and others). This thing they've mentioned about "sticky" images is interesting.

@Chris Hurd, Can you please host these Raw m2t's that display the "sticky" effect that was referred to? I'd like to take a look at it in my own NLE frame by frame to see if it's in the raw file or a problem with the transcode. I have seen some "floating" elements before in my own footage seen here (m2t). I'd like to see if what you're calling "sticky" is the same effect.

Thanks

Pete Bauer · June 22nd, 2006, 07:42 PM

Chris is on the road this week, so all I can say on his behalf for the time being is that while I'm hopeful it won't be too much longer now that the DV Mag article is out, TX Shootout products aren't ready for DVi release quite yet.

I'm not a JVC user...Nate, any ideas about this?
EDIT: Here's a thread about it: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70020

Nate Weaver · June 23rd, 2006, 12:29 AM

Yeah, I dunno. I think this is a case of Adam's eyes catching things most people's won't.

I don't for a second doubt that Adam has seen it...but I sure haven't noticed it in real use. I've seen a lot of things I DO object to in the camera (some in real use, most in test situations), but this is not one of them.

Chris Hurd · June 23rd, 2006, 02:01 AM

Sorry, I'm at CineGear in L.A. for the next couple of days, no way to upload anything until next week.

Boyd Ostroff · June 23rd, 2006, 05:45 AM

FWIW, Adam mentioned something similar in his DV Magazine review of the HD-100 last April:

Quote:

However, JVC's codec appears to have a higher threshold for intra-GOP change detection than Sony's; in a side-by-side test, wide-angle lockdowns of shaded foliage showed smooth motion in Sony's recording, whereas the JVC's leaves tended to sit in place for a few frames and then jump slightly to their new positions. The effect only occurred for small, subtle motions in low-key parts of a visually complex picture

June 22nd, 2006, 07:22 PM	#1
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June 22nd, 2006, 07:42 PM	#2
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Chris is on the road this week, so all I can say on his behalf for the time being is that while I'm hopeful it won't be too much longer now that the DV Mag article is out, TX Shootout products aren't ready for DVi release quite yet. I'm not a JVC user...Nate, any ideas about this? EDIT: Here's a thread about it: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70020 __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

June 23rd, 2006, 12:29 AM	#3
Nate Weaver Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,100	Yeah, I dunno. I think this is a case of Adam's eyes catching things most people's won't. I don't for a second doubt that Adam has seen it...but I sure haven't noticed it in real use. I've seen a lot of things I DO object to in the camera (some in real use, most in test situations), but this is not one of them. __________________ My Work: nateweaver.net

June 23rd, 2006, 02:01 AM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Sorry, I'm at CineGear in L.A. for the next couple of days, no way to upload anything until next week. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!