sticky GOP thingy? at DVinfo.net

Drew Curran · June 22nd, 2006, 05:43 AM

Is the stick GOP thing very noyicable. I've read reviews that mention this, for example in foliage or grass, where they appear to freeze for 6 frames. IS this only nioticable when scrubbing in post or is it noticable on final output as well? Is it even noticable?

Man this camera buying thing is painful!!

Thanks,

Andrew

Steve Benner · June 22nd, 2006, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew Curran

Is the stick GOP thing very noyicable. I've read reviews that mention this, for example in foliage or grass, where they appear to freeze for 6 frames. IS this only nioticable when scrubbing in post or is it noticable on final output as well? Is it even noticable?

Man this camera buying thing is painful!!

Thanks,

Andrew

I've never noticed it at all. Nor had any SSE.

Drew Curran · June 22nd, 2006, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Benner

I've never noticed it at all. Nor had any SSE.

That'll do me.

I'm not reading any more reviews!!!

Thanks

Andrew

John Trent · June 22nd, 2006, 02:28 PM

Well it still has me worried. Adam Wilt mentioned this in the DV mag review of the HD100 (it may be on the web site but good luck finding it) and I don't think one person here said a thing about it. He can't be the only guy with the only camera whose seen this and I think it was an A model. And I think it was a different HD100 for the shootout (was the A even out then?) so two cameras did it.

Any one else see grass, reeds, leaves and the like freezing, "sticking" for six frames then moving along till the next freeze?

Chad Terpstra · June 22nd, 2006, 02:43 PM

Actually foliage such as trees blowing in the wind is one of my favorite subjects to look at with this camera. Never noticed them sticking at all. To me it's very cinematic. If they do stick for a few frames, it's not an issue anyone would notice I think. It’s very fluid to my eyes.

The only problem I have so far is the frame echoes of the MPEG encoder on blurred subjects. Here's my thread on that:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=68745

Had a couple engineers email me, but they haven't responded to me for a while. As of yet this effect is a mystery. But even if it's not fixable, the camera is still worth your money in every other respect. Nothing compares to that hands-on-the-lens feel. Hopefully I'll get to the bottom of this separate issue when I am able to send my camera in for inspection mid-July.

Barry Green · June 22nd, 2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by John Trent

Any one else see grass, reeds, leaves and the like freezing, "sticking" for six frames then moving along till the next freeze?

There was an example of that posted here a while ago, it was of a guitar...

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57835

Drew Curran · June 22nd, 2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by John Trent

Well it still has me worried. Adam Wilt mentioned this in the DV mag review of the HD100 (it may be on the web site but good luck finding it) and I don't think one person here said a thing about it. He can't be the only guy with the only camera whose seen this and I think it was an A model. And I think it was a different HD100 for the shootout (was the A even out then?) so two cameras did it.

Thats where i read about it in 2 seperate articles on DV.com - in the HD100 review and the Texas shootout.

If no-one else has noticed it on these forums, then perhaps he has used same camera for both tests and it has a fault.

lets hope

Andrew

Tim Brown · June 22nd, 2006, 06:14 PM

The more likely scenario is that Mr. Wilt's eyes are keener than most as he was specifically looking for this and most defects, as it's his job while doing reviews. Wishful thinking won't help as it is an unfortunate drawback to HDV. Fortunately it is not a deal breaker.

Stephen L. Noe · June 22nd, 2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew Curran

Thats where i read about it in 2 seperate articles on DV.com - in the HD100 review and the Texas shootout.

If no-one else has noticed it on these forums, then perhaps he has used same camera for both tests and it has a fault.

lets hope
Andrew

The guitar was shot by me. It was blown up a bit and slowed down slightly to demonstrate the effect. I can't say I've ever specifically noticed this effect in daily operations (even if it does happen right under my nose).

June 22nd, 2006, 05:43 AM	#1
Drew Curran Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: N. Ireland Posts: 370	sticky GOP thingy? Is the stick GOP thing very noyicable. I've read reviews that mention this, for example in foliage or grass, where they appear to freeze for 6 frames. IS this only nioticable when scrubbing in post or is it noticable on final output as well? Is it even noticable? Man this camera buying thing is painful!! Thanks, Andrew

June 22nd, 2006, 02:28 PM	#4
John Trent Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Merrillville, IN Posts: 54	Well it still has me worried. Adam Wilt mentioned this in the DV mag review of the HD100 (it may be on the web site but good luck finding it) and I don't think one person here said a thing about it. He can't be the only guy with the only camera whose seen this and I think it was an A model. And I think it was a different HD100 for the shootout (was the A even out then?) so two cameras did it. Any one else see grass, reeds, leaves and the like freezing, "sticking" for six frames then moving along till the next freeze?

June 22nd, 2006, 02:43 PM	#5
Chad Terpstra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 320	Actually foliage such as trees blowing in the wind is one of my favorite subjects to look at with this camera. Never noticed them sticking at all. To me it's very cinematic. If they do stick for a few frames, it's not an issue anyone would notice I think. It’s very fluid to my eyes. The only problem I have so far is the frame echoes of the MPEG encoder on blurred subjects. Here's my thread on that: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=68745 Had a couple engineers email me, but they haven't responded to me for a while. As of yet this effect is a mystery. But even if it's not fixable, the camera is still worth your money in every other respect. Nothing compares to that hands-on-the-lens feel. Hopefully I'll get to the bottom of this separate issue when I am able to send my camera in for inspection mid-July.

June 22nd, 2006, 06:14 PM	#8
Tim Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Richmond, Virginia Posts: 263	The more likely scenario is that Mr. Wilt's eyes are keener than most as he was specifically looking for this and most defects, as it's his job while doing reviews. Wishful thinking won't help as it is an unfortunate drawback to HDV. Fortunately it is not a deal breaker.