No image stablisation??

[Jonathan Nelson]

Originally Posted by John Clark

The realistic price difference between the hvx and hd100 (figure initial cost and p2 cards, is at least $2000) So, for the price of an hvx, you can buy an hd100 and have a couple of grand left over for a used dvx100a which could handle your wedding gigs.

The hvx is out of the question for me. You have a good idea, but I need to have two hd cams so that I can do hd multicam shoots hence the z1 and hd100.

[Drew Curran]

Jonathan

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=67566

some previous discussions

Everyone will have their opinions on ideal uses for the HD100. I'm gonna use mine for weddings with some careful forethought to get the best out of it.

Regards


Drew

[Jonathan Nelson]

Originally Posted by Drew Curran

Jonathan

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=67566

some previous discussions

Everyone will have their opinions on ideal uses for the HD100. I'm gonna use mine for weddings with some careful forethought to get the best out of it.

Regards


Drew

Drew,
Do you do mutlicam shoots at weddings?

[Chad Terpstra]

Jonathan,

Though I haven't tried it yet, I do know that the HD100 can be calibrated to look like the Z1U or probably any other camera. Most likely keeping it in "Standard" gamma with no black stretch would be the best place to start. For my productions I do a lot of CC in post anyway to get the most pleasing picture out of it. I just do a little extra for the ceremony so that all the cameras match. If you're carefull when shooting not to adjust iris and stay out of the "ramping" part of the Z1U lens (above 2.8), then you should be able to apply one CC filter to all of that camera's clips in the timeline (Capture as something like "Z1U," then go to find all "Z1U" when selecting clips to apply to). It differs for every NLE but I'm on FCP.

So for my ceremonies I've got 3 very different cameras: HD100, FX1, & Canon GL2. So far I've been able to CC them without too many headaches. For some this would be too much of a hassle, but I like that phase of the project. Like the icing on the cake that makes it pretty. From what I can tell the Z1U and the HD100 aren't night and day different with the settings I've mentioned above. I don't think it's anything that can't be tweaked in post with the right tools.

[Jonathan Nelson]

Originally Posted by Chad Terpstra

Jonathan,

Though I haven't tried it yet, I do know that the HD100 can be calibrated to look like the Z1U or probably any other camera. Most likely keeping it in "Standard" gamma with no black stretch would be the best place to start. For my productions I do a lot of CC in post anyway to get the most pleasing picture out of it. I just do a little extra for the ceremony so that all the cameras match. If you're carefull when shooting not to adjust iris and stay out of the "ramping" part of the Z1U lens (above 2.8), then you should be able to apply one CC filter to all of that camera's clips in the timeline (Capture as something like "Z1U," then go to find all "Z1U" when selecting clips to apply to). It differs for every NLE but I'm on FCP.

So for my ceremonies I've got 3 very different cameras: HD100, FX1, & Canon GL2. So far I've been able to CC them without too many headaches. For some this would be too much of a hassle, but I like that phase of the project. Like the icing on the cake that makes it pretty. From what I can tell the Z1U and the HD100 aren't night and day different with the settings I've mentioned above. I don't think it's anything that can't be tweaked in post with the right tools.

That is cool that you are able to use such different cameras. I am really starting to consider getting a z1 but only because I really should have something with auto features in case I have some newb helping me.

The bad part is that I have until next tuesday to figure out what route I want to go. I will also have to get some extra software to help deinterlace the z1 footage which I image is a long process. I really see a place for the z1 for low light events such as wedding receptions.

Does the film look setting on the z1 look anything like the hd100 or is that something that looks better done in post?

[Drew Curran]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Nelson

Drew,
Do you do mutlicam shoots at weddings?

At present no. I shoot stills in partnership with my brother, so we have 3 digital SLR's at each wedding. (one backup)

We're thinking of offering a service where I will be on the HD100 all day and perhaps a DSLR for some of the ceremony, and him solely on the DSLR's - then producing a DVD with a combination of video and photography. If it works out, we may buy a DVX to sit at the rear of the church giving us 2 cameras as well as the photography.

Drew

[Phil Balsdon]

[QUOTE=Drew Curran] My shooting style is definitly not shoulder mounted eye level stuff only - its low, its high, its swooping in, its angled - and it needs to be smooth!!
I'm seriously tempted to change my order to a HVX200,

Before committing yourself to the HVX for handheld use have play with one. This is a somewhat large camera to be configured with a rear mounted viewfinder that requires it to be held infront of the body for off tripod use. Long steady handheld shots are going to be difficult, this is not a camera for someone with underdeveloped biceps.

If you're looking for a camera to do that kind of work the Z1 is the best, if you can make the rest of it work for you.

You can still do great handheld moves with HD-101 by carrying the camera by it's handle in you're right hand and cupping the left hand underneath at it's centre of gravity, it's a slightly lower angle perhaps but moves smoothly.

[Chad Terpstra]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Nelson

Does the film look setting on the z1 look anything like the hd100 or is that something that looks better done in post?

Can't say for sure what the Z1U can be configured for. The one cinematone on the FX1 starts down the same path as the HD100 in terms of highlight handling, but really suppresses midtones and darker parts of the image. The Z1 has one more cinematone option and with the added black stretch could travel a lot farther towards the HD100 look. But I've only done A/B comparison w/ the FX1 (which didn't come close to the cinematic feel, but looked like good video). I’d recommend testing them out yourself if you can. It’s also best to be able to switch rapidly from one to the other to see point blank what’s different.

Originally Posted by Phil Balsdon

You can still do great handheld moves with HD-101 by carrying the camera by it's handle in you're right hand and cupping the left hand underneath at it's centre of gravity, it's a slightly lower angle perhaps but moves smoothly.

It's true, you can totally do the same types of moves with the HD100. I just find that trying to get close shots (zoomed in past 20 or so) is much more steady with a camera w/ steadyshot. For instance for "cake coverage" (not the cake-cutting, but the close-up stuff beforehand to show off the details) I've been switching over to my FX1 because it can get in close for details while still being handheld and steady by bracing it in a similar way.

I actually just got back from a wedding tonight where I was shooting up above my head w/ the HD100 as well as getting some low shots during the dances, etc. I don’t feel bad at all about the footage. It might have suffered a little, but staying mostly zoomed out helps immensely and the camera’s weight (especially w/ pro batts) reduces the wobble. Mainly it’s just easier to do that stuff w/ a smaller, lighter camera that has steadyshot. Going back to the FX1 feels like a breeze in terms of weight and flexibility. On the other hand I can’t get enough of that should-mount feel and superior lens control. That’s why the HD100 remains my primary camera for weddings. That and the image quality of course. (I love that black stretch….)

[Jonathan Nelson]

Originally Posted by Chad Terpstra

Can't say for sure what the Z1U can be configured for. The one cinematone on the FX1 starts down the same path as the HD100 in terms of highlight handling, but really suppresses midtones and darker parts of the image. The Z1 has one more cinematone option and with the added black stretch could travel a lot farther towards the HD100 look. But I've only done A/B comparison w/ the FX1 (which didn't come close to the cinematic feel, but looked like good video). I’d recommend testing them out yourself if you can. It’s also best to be able to switch rapidly from one to the other to see point blank what’s different.




It's true, you can totally do the same types of moves with the HD100. I just find that trying to get close shots (zoomed in past 20 or so) is much more steady with a camera w/ steadyshot. For instance for "cake coverage" (not the cake-cutting, but the close-up stuff beforehand to show off the details) I've been switching over to my FX1 because it can get in close for details while still being handheld and steady by bracing it in a similar way.

I actually just got back from a wedding tonight where I was shooting up above my head w/ the HD100 as well as getting some low shots during the dances, etc. I don’t feel bad at all about the footage. It might have suffered a little, but staying mostly zoomed out helps immensely and the camera’s weight (especially w/ pro batts) reduces the wobble. Mainly it’s just easier to do that stuff w/ a smaller, lighter camera that has steadyshot. Going back to the FX1 feels like a breeze in terms of weight and flexibility. On the other hand I can’t get enough of that should-mount feel and superior lens control. That’s why the HD100 remains my primary camera for weddings. That and the image quality of course. (I love that black stretch….)

hmm... now I am really considering getting another hd100s after that post.