Buy now or wait? HD200... at DVinfo.net

Greg Trechak · May 18th, 2006, 10:17 AM

I was planning on buying the GY HD100 in a couple of weeks and have just recently found out about the HD200 version coming out later this year. Will the new features on the HD200 make it worth the wait/extra money?

The main feature that I was interested in is JVC's new 16mm lens adaptor. Will this work on the HD100 as well? Will using the 16mm lens make it easier to rack focus/get a shallow depth of field, or should I still consider buying somthing like a Micro 35?

Ram Ganesh · May 18th, 2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Trechak

I was planning on buying the GY HD100 in a couple of weeks and have just recently found out about the HD200 version coming out later this year. Will the new features on the HD200 make it worth the wait/extra money?

The main feature that I was interested in is JVC's new 16mm lens adaptor. Will this work on the HD100 as well? Will using the 16mm lens make it easier to rack focus/get a shallow depth of field, or should I still consider buying somthing like a Micro 35?

the 16mm adapater will be available for HD100 as well.

The new model is 2K more, and will get you:
1) Slowmotion (720/60P)
2) Flipped image in the viewfinder..

http://www.snipurl.com/jvccomparison

Brian Luce · May 18th, 2006, 11:00 AM

That 16mm adaptor works on the hd100 also. You'll probably still want the mini 35 if you're into shallow DOF.

Just get the hd100 now, quit messing around and start shooting.

Brian Luce · May 18th, 2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ram Ganesh

the 16mm adapater will be available for HD100 as well.

The new model is 2K more, and will get you:
1) Slowmotion (720/60P)
2) Flipped image in the viewfinder..

http://www.snipurl.com/jvccomparison

60p is good for more than just slomo ain't it?

Stephan Ahonen · May 18th, 2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Luce

60p is good for more than just slomo ain't it?

Yes, 60p is the framerate of broadcast HDTV, so if you're shooting for TV, that's the way to go.

If your target is SDTV, 60p preserves the temporal resolution of 60i, while still allowing you to shoot HD for posterity.

Bankim Jain · May 18th, 2006, 12:37 PM

Being very categoric on the issue >>> what would be point by point difference between HD100 & Hd200 ... I hope we get a comparative answer supplemented with few detail rather then one liners as this will help slow rockers like me :)

Tim Dashwood · May 18th, 2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bankim Jain

Being very categoric on the issue >>> what would be point by point difference between HD100 & Hd200 ... I hope we get a comparative answer supplemented with few detail rather then one liners as this will help slow rockers like me :)

There are two new models for later this year, the HD200 and HD250. The HD200 is sold with the 16x lens for $7995 MSRP and the HD250 is sold without a lens for $8995 (MSRP.)

The HD200 has all the features of the HD100 as well as:

720P60 encoding/recording to HDV tape
Image Inversion recorded to tape for use with 35mm homebuilt adapters (like redrock micro, G35, etc.)

The HD250 has all the features of the HD100 as well as:

BNC connectors
SDI OUT
Timecode IN/OUT plus GENLOCK for slaving multiple cameras
720P60 encoding/recording to HDV tape (also on HD200)
Image Inversion recorded to tape for use with 35mm homebuilt adapters (like redrock micro, G35, etc.) (also on HD200)
Studio 26-pin configuration (KY-HD250 Studio Adapter) with remote CCU control
Professional battery mount included as standard (I'm not sure if this is exclusive to A/B or will also include IDX and PAG)
RCA audio out instead of the 1/8" jack
4-pin XLR battery connector

Chris Basmas · May 18th, 2006, 02:47 PM

The HD200-250 is not JVC's 2nd gen HDV cams, because they use the same CCDs. They are just updated models and PQ should be the same.
No need to wait if you don't need the new features.

Carl Hicks · May 18th, 2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

There are two new models for later this year, the HD200 and HD250. The HD200 is sold with the 16x lens for $7995 MSRP and the HD250 is sold without a lens for $8995 (MSRP.)

The HD200 has all the features of the HD100 as well as:

720P60 encoding/recording to HDV tape
Image Inversion recorded to tape for use with 35mm homebuilt adapters (like redrock micro, G35, etc.)

The HD250 has all the features of the HD100 as well as:

BNC connectors
SDI OUT
Timecode IN/OUT plus GENLOCK for slaving multiple cameras
720P60 encoding/recording to HDV tape (also on HD200)
Image Inversion recorded to tape for use with 35mm homebuilt adapters (like redrock micro, G35, etc.) (also on HD200)
Studio 26-pin configuration (KY-HD250 Studio Adapter) with remote CCU control
Professional battery mount included as standard (I'm not sure if this is exclusive to A/B or will also include IDX and PAG)
RCA audio out instead of the 1/8" jack
4-pin XLR battery connector

A few more things:

On the two new cameras, there will be actually be two new frame rates in HDV: 720/50P and 720/60P

Also, there will be some more adjustments added to the gamma menu. No specfic details on this yet.

Other than this, Tim's list is accurate.

Regards, Carl

Brian Drysdale · May 18th, 2006, 03:34 PM

Seems like the HD 250 is being aimed at broadcasters and the demands camera people who demand higher quality connections etc than can be provided on a more price driven product.

Rogelio Salinas · May 18th, 2006, 03:57 PM

If you need it right away, buy the HD100. If you don't need it right away, wait until the HD200 is released, view some footage, and test out the camera. If the new features (such as 60P) are worth the extra $1800, then get the HD200. If not, then you still have the less expensive option of the HD100.

Miklos Philips · May 18th, 2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Luce

That 16mm adaptor works on the hd100 also. You'll probably still want the mini 35 if you're into shallow DOF.

Just get the hd100 now, quit messing around and start shooting.

Wouldn't using 16 mm cine lenses also give you a shallow DOF?

Tim Dashwood · May 18th, 2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Miklos Philips

Wouldn't using 16 mm cine lenses also give you a shallow DOF?

Yes. Shallower DOF than the standard 1/3" lens, but not as shallow as 35mm format.

However, there has been some debate on how this PL mount adapter actually works and whether it retains all of the optical characteristics of the 16mm lens or not. We'll have to wait and see.

Chad Terpstra · May 18th, 2006, 06:08 PM

Doesn't it seem that $2000 extra is asking a bit much just for two new features? I guess there's extra gamma features as well, but still it seems like quite a jump.

K. Forman · May 18th, 2006, 07:34 PM

Tim or Karl- Will the HD200 have a burnable timecode?

May 18th, 2006, 10:17 AM	#1
Greg Trechak New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wichita kansas Posts: 5	Buy now or wait? HD200... I was planning on buying the GY HD100 in a couple of weeks and have just recently found out about the HD200 version coming out later this year. Will the new features on the HD200 make it worth the wait/extra money? The main feature that I was interested in is JVC's new 16mm lens adaptor. Will this work on the HD100 as well? Will using the 16mm lens make it easier to rack focus/get a shallow depth of field, or should I still consider buying somthing like a Micro 35?

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May 18th, 2006, 11:00 AM	#3
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	That 16mm adaptor works on the hd100 also. You'll probably still want the mini 35 if you're into shallow DOF. Just get the hd100 now, quit messing around and start shooting.

May 18th, 2006, 02:47 PM	#8
Chris Basmas Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 45	The HD200-250 is not JVC's 2nd gen HDV cams, because they use the same CCDs. They are just updated models and PQ should be the same. No need to wait if you don't need the new features.

May 18th, 2006, 03:34 PM	#10
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Seems like the HD 250 is being aimed at broadcasters and the demands camera people who demand higher quality connections etc than can be provided on a more price driven product.

May 18th, 2006, 03:57 PM	#11
Rogelio Salinas Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 75	If you need it right away, buy the HD100. If you don't need it right away, wait until the HD200 is released, view some footage, and test out the camera. If the new features (such as 60P) are worth the extra $1800, then get the HD200. If not, then you still have the less expensive option of the HD100.

May 18th, 2006, 06:08 PM	#14
Chad Terpstra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 320	Doesn't it seem that $2000 extra is asking a bit much just for two new features? I guess there's extra gamma features as well, but still it seems like quite a jump.