HD100 and the magnet trick?

DJ Lewis · May 9th, 2006, 10:57 PM

Poked around in the advanced menu today looking for the mysterious flip option... I'd like to meet who started this rumor... or at least the person who misinterpreted what he or she said;

There is a flip option in the advanced menu.. but it is a left/right flip only.
I repeat, the advanced/service menu flip is a left/right flip only.

Bankim Jain · May 9th, 2006, 11:54 PM

Well if i understand it correct, when using mini35 adopter & cine prime on the HD100 makes the image flip up side down that means the recorded image too will be upsidedown, then do we need to re process image to flip it ri8 back in post where by doing some image degradation again ... Pls correct me if wrong cox I am almost ready to place my order for HD100 ... Also whats the news on HD200 250 is it ging to be a refioned version on hd100 .. i would like to wait shoudl there be any signifacant improvement in the newer verison.

I await insight !!!

:)

Nate Weaver · May 10th, 2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bankim Jain

Well if i understand it correct, when using mini35 adopter & cine prime on the HD100 makes the image flip up side down that means the recorded image too will be upsidedown,

The recorded and viewable image when using the Mini35 is upright. It's upside down with the Redrock and some other homebrew 35 adapters.

Steve Mullen · May 10th, 2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ Lewis

Poked around in the advanced menu today looking for the mysterious flip option... I'd like to meet who started this rumor... or at least the person who misinterpreted what he or she said;.

I too have been waiting for the magic instructions. :(

And, yes the image is recorded upside down! But CineForm will flip it for you.

JVC claims that to do a true double flip, hardware is required. It's not just firmware. I've haven't spent time thinking about if this is likely to be true.

If it involves delaying rows for a complete frame time, which I think it might, then it probably does require hardware. So no firmware update for the HD100.

Luis Otero · May 10th, 2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ Lewis

Poked around in the advanced menu today looking for the mysterious flip option... I'd like to meet who started this rumor... or at least the person who misinterpreted what he or she said;

There is a flip option in the advanced menu.. but it is a left/right flip only.
I repeat, the advanced/service menu flip is a left/right flip only.

DJ,

What is done through the service menu was already discussed here: only mirror image (see posting #4 of this thread). I never have read of someone claiming to achieve the 180 degree flipping, that was also tried to be achieved using the magnet without any success.

Luis Otero

DJ Lewis · May 10th, 2006, 10:36 PM

Thanks Luis, I missed your post, but had heard from several people that they heard it could be done... which was the reason my post was worded as it was.....

And Steve has dashed all hope of a firmware update... but that won't stop me from singing the 100's praises, even after the 200/250 comes out. :)

Chad Terpstra · May 11th, 2006, 06:53 AM

Actually the mirror flip is more of a blessing that you think. Recently I tried to rig up a mirror option for my FX1 using a free LCD hood I got with my Petrol bag:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search
It's a snug fit and works on any other 3-4" LCD (such as my GL2).

I didn't make any permanent solution, but I just played with mounting a small mirror on the bottom inside of the hood and angling the LCD screen down so that I'm seeing the up side down reflection of the LCD screen in the mirror, similar to a teleprompter setup. The mirro has to be mounted at a 45 degree angle to view it comfortably, but this shouldn't be too hard to figure out. This particular hood is very useful as well because you can unhook the top part of the hood allowing clear viewing to the bottom where the mirror is.

It worked very nicely and could easily be made into a permanent fixture. The only problem is that it was only flipped vertically, not 180 degrees which is up for down, left for right. But combined with the mirror option on the HD100 and you've got the whole flip, right? 180 degrees when viewed through the mirror. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like the cheapest way to flip the image for viewing on-camera.

Luis Otero · May 11th, 2006, 11:52 AM

Chad,

That is exactly the way I have done it before in one of our projects in which a converter was used and the imaged needed to be "erected", as they properly say in UK (the suplier of the adapter was from UK, so I needed to made myself used to the same terminology).

Luis

May 9th, 2006, 11:54 PM	#17
Bankim Jain Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 219	Flipping ??? Well if i understand it correct, when using mini35 adopter & cine prime on the HD100 makes the image flip up side down that means the recorded image too will be upsidedown, then do we need to re process image to flip it ri8 back in post where by doing some image degradation again ... Pls correct me if wrong cox I am almost ready to place my order for HD100 ... Also whats the news on HD200 250 is it ging to be a refioned version on hd100 .. i would like to wait shoudl there be any signifacant improvement in the newer verison. I await insight !!! :) __________________ Cheers !

May 9th, 2006, 10:57 PM	#16
DJ Lewis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 97	Poked around in the advanced menu today looking for the mysterious flip option... I'd like to meet who started this rumor... or at least the person who misinterpreted what he or she said; There is a flip option in the advanced menu.. but it is a left/right flip only. I repeat, the advanced/service menu flip is a left/right flip only.

May 10th, 2006, 10:36 PM	#21
DJ Lewis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 97	Thanks Luis, I missed your post, but had heard from several people that they heard it could be done... which was the reason my post was worded as it was..... And Steve has dashed all hope of a firmware update... but that won't stop me from singing the 100's praises, even after the 200/250 comes out. :)

May 11th, 2006, 06:53 AM	#22
Chad Terpstra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 320	Actually the mirror flip is more of a blessing that you think. Recently I tried to rig up a mirror option for my FX1 using a free LCD hood I got with my Petrol bag: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search It's a snug fit and works on any other 3-4" LCD (such as my GL2). I didn't make any permanent solution, but I just played with mounting a small mirror on the bottom inside of the hood and angling the LCD screen down so that I'm seeing the up side down reflection of the LCD screen in the mirror, similar to a teleprompter setup. The mirro has to be mounted at a 45 degree angle to view it comfortably, but this shouldn't be too hard to figure out. This particular hood is very useful as well because you can unhook the top part of the hood allowing clear viewing to the bottom where the mirror is. It worked very nicely and could easily be made into a permanent fixture. The only problem is that it was only flipped vertically, not 180 degrees which is up for down, left for right. But combined with the mirror option on the HD100 and you've got the whole flip, right? 180 degrees when viewed through the mirror. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like the cheapest way to flip the image for viewing on-camera.

May 11th, 2006, 11:52 AM	#23
Luis Otero Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Fort Dodge, IA Posts: 221	Chad, That is exactly the way I have done it before in one of our projects in which a converter was used and the imaged needed to be "erected", as they properly say in UK (the suplier of the adapter was from UK, so I needed to made myself used to the same terminology). Luis