Not one word about the GY-HD7000? at DVinfo.net

Stephen L. Noe · April 26th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Any word at all about the HD7000 at NAB?

Daniel Weber · April 26th, 2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe

Any word at all about the HD7000 at NAB?

I didn't see it at all. I went to the JVC booth twice.

Dan Weber

Thomas Smet · April 27th, 2006, 08:49 AM

It isn't on the JVC website anymore either. I wonder if they canned it?

Daniel Epstein · April 27th, 2006, 08:56 AM

I don't know if they canned it but it was supposed to be a 25K or there abouts camera. Given what is happening with XDCAM HD and the Panasonic HVX-900 price wise JVC may not want to bring it out unless they can make money with it at around 16K.

Luis Otero · April 27th, 2006, 02:38 PM

Well, I think that after the excellent experience of producing with the HD100 such great images with 720P, why to have a 1080i camera? It contradicts their postulate of "progressive is way better than interlaced" (which I agree 200% with).

IMHO, it will be a step back, not forward, in terms of aquisition method. OK, the HD7000 would add the full DV casette use, but again, the interlace material will look video, as opposed to the beautiful progressive 24P/30P... I would not pay over $20K only to have those features, specially after the floating information of the SI and RED cameras, which pricetag will fluctuate in the same neighborhood.

Luis

Tim Dashwood · April 27th, 2006, 06:17 PM

There was a product sign at the front of the booth with some "greyed out" products. One of them was the "HD-0000" and the description seemed to fit the 7000. I didn't take a picture and didn't think much about it at the time.

However, I think that JVC was testing the market with the announcement of the 7000 last year and probably didn't get anywhere near the response of the HD100. Hence, the addition of 60P with the release of the HD200/250, a new encoder, and the HZ-CA13U 16mm PL mount.

Personally, if I had my choice of a 2/3" 720P60/1080i camera for $25000 less lens, and the smaller lighter HD250 for $8995 less lens plus the HZ-CA13U 16mm PL mount adapter (even if it will be priced above $2000) I'm pretty sure I'd pass on the 2/3" camera.
Especially when you consider that the gate size of Super-16 is slightly larger than 2/3" CCDs, you will have even more control of DOF.

Luis Otero · April 27th, 2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

Hence, the addition of 60P with the release of the HD200/250, a new encoder, and the HZ-CA13U 16mm PL mount...

Hey, Tim:

I assume that the HZ-CA13U 16mm PL mount will work with the HD100, right?

Also, have you asked if there is any possible way to upgrade the HD100 to the HD250?

Thanks,

Luis

Joe Carney · April 27th, 2006, 11:07 PM

According to one of the JVC reps I talked to, the 7000 2/3 inch cmos camera is been cancelled until further notice.

Too bad, since Ikegami released a new multi format HD 3 chip 2/3 inch cmos direct to harddisk cam for 55K without lense. (Mainly for Avid folks since it uses their codec to record with).

Tim Dashwood · April 27th, 2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis Otero

Hey, Tim:

I assume that the HZ-CA13U 16mm PL mount will work with the HD100, right?

The mount will work, but the image will be inverted.

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Originally Posted by Luis Otero

Also, have you asked if there is any possible way to upgrade the HD100 to the HD250?

I have asked and the answer is no. The only upgrade to the HD100 is the "A" update. The 60P capability is not a firmware thing, it is a whole new encoder.

Guy Barwood · April 28th, 2006, 12:02 AM

What a shame. I thought that model was meant to be the full ProHD deal.

David Knaggs · April 28th, 2006, 12:11 AM

I think there could be a real future for the HD7000. A massive future.

But only if shoots 1080p24.

Why have 2/3" chips (same size as the HDCAM, which shoots 1080p24) and only have it do 720p?

Especially when we're already shooting lovely images in 720p with our GY-HD 100/101s?

The release of the 200/250 models show that JVC is a true friend to the independent filmmaker and has made the slogan "Affordable HD" into a fact.

As it has no "high-end" camera to protect (as do Sony and Panasonic) it could also usher in an era of "Affordable 1080p".

I've been looking closely at XDCAM HD (1/2" chips) and RED (could still be a while in development) for when I eventually step up to 1080p and I think there is a massive opening for JVC to "own" the independent filmmaking market if it releases the HD7000 (or perhaps they should call it the "HD1080") with 2/3'' chips giving 1080p24 for about US$25k-30k.

And use a better codec, maybe even JPEG2000 which is required in the new DCI (Digital Cinema Initiative) specifications. That way you could stay in the one codec all the way from capture, through editing to (Digital) Cinema Screen. Just a thought.

When I bought my GY-HD101E last July I remember saying (quite often), "For the price point, this camera is an absolute miracle."

If JVC were to bring out a 2/3" 1080p24 model around $25k before the end of this year, I'd be saying it all over again.

Guy Barwood · April 28th, 2006, 12:20 AM

Maybe they never could nail that CMOS sensor. Without a sensor JVC wouldn't have a choice. I don't think JVC have any in house sensor production capabilities like Sony and Canon have. I think Sony even make the HD100s sensor.

It's good news for Sony if no one else.

Andrew Young · April 28th, 2006, 11:09 PM

The problem is that there is a lot of competition in the 25K price range, from Sony, Panasonic, Grass Valley, (probably Hitachi and Ikegami as well). The HD100/200/250 have a unique feature set in their price range. I asked a JVC rep at a party about the 7000 and he just shook his head. They're concentrating their efforts at the low end, where they can really make some noise.

Nate Weaver · April 29th, 2006, 12:38 AM

I got the idea they were re-thinking that model because of all the new movement in the CMOS area going on right now.

Guy Barwood · April 29th, 2006, 03:17 AM

"They're concentrating their efforts at the low end"
Hopefully that means second and third generation models sooner rather than later. Without allocating resources to the 7000 it means going without the 7000, but more and more improvements comming quicker to the current 100 series. I hope it also means some soon to be introduced 1U/10U replacements with 25/50p and full manual support.

"where they can really make some noise."
lol, the places we could go with that ;-)

April 26th, 2006, 07:28 PM	#1
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	Not one word about the GY-HD7000? Any word at all about the HD7000 at NAB?

April 27th, 2006, 06:17 PM	#6
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	There was a product sign at the front of the booth with some "greyed out" products. One of them was the "HD-0000" and the description seemed to fit the 7000. I didn't take a picture and didn't think much about it at the time. However, I think that JVC was testing the market with the announcement of the 7000 last year and probably didn't get anywhere near the response of the HD100. Hence, the addition of 60P with the release of the HD200/250, a new encoder, and the HZ-CA13U 16mm PL mount. Personally, if I had my choice of a 2/3" 720P60/1080i camera for $25000 less lens, and the smaller lighter HD250 for $8995 less lens plus the HZ-CA13U 16mm PL mount adapter (even if it will be priced above $2000) I'm pretty sure I'd pass on the 2/3" camera. Especially when you consider that the gate size of Super-16 is slightly larger than 2/3" CCDs, you will have even more control of DOF. __________________ Tim Dashwood

April 27th, 2006, 11:07 PM	#8
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	According to one of the JVC reps I talked to, the 7000 2/3 inch cmos camera is been cancelled until further notice. Too bad, since Ikegami released a new multi format HD 3 chip 2/3 inch cmos direct to harddisk cam for 55K without lense. (Mainly for Avid folks since it uses their codec to record with). __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

April 28th, 2006, 11:09 PM	#13
Andrew Young Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York Posts: 123	The problem is that there is a lot of competition in the 25K price range, from Sony, Panasonic, Grass Valley, (probably Hitachi and Ikegami as well). The HD100/200/250 have a unique feature set in their price range. I asked a JVC rep at a party about the 7000 and he just shook his head. They're concentrating their efforts at the low end, where they can really make some noise. __________________ Andy Young Director/DP www.ArchipelagoFilms.com VP, Special Projects www.DuArt.com

April 29th, 2006, 12:38 AM	#14
Nate Weaver Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,100	I got the idea they were re-thinking that model because of all the new movement in the CMOS area going on right now. __________________ My Work: nateweaver.net

April 27th, 2006, 08:49 AM	#3
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	It isn't on the JVC website anymore either. I wonder if they canned it?

April 27th, 2006, 08:56 AM	#4
Daniel Epstein Trustee Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,267	I don't know if they canned it but it was supposed to be a 25K or there abouts camera. Given what is happening with XDCAM HD and the Panasonic HVX-900 price wise JVC may not want to bring it out unless they can make money with it at around 16K.

April 27th, 2006, 02:38 PM	#5
Luis Otero Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Fort Dodge, IA Posts: 221	Well, I think that after the excellent experience of producing with the HD100 such great images with 720P, why to have a 1080i camera? It contradicts their postulate of "progressive is way better than interlaced" (which I agree 200% with). IMHO, it will be a step back, not forward, in terms of aquisition method. OK, the HD7000 would add the full DV casette use, but again, the interlace material will look video, as opposed to the beautiful progressive 24P/30P... I would not pay over $20K only to have those features, specially after the floating information of the SI and RED cameras, which pricetag will fluctuate in the same neighborhood. Luis

April 28th, 2006, 12:02 AM	#10
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	What a shame. I thought that model was meant to be the full ProHD deal.

April 28th, 2006, 12:11 AM	#11
David Knaggs Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 826	I think there could be a real future for the HD7000. A massive future. But only if shoots 1080p24. Why have 2/3" chips (same size as the HDCAM, which shoots 1080p24) and only have it do 720p? Especially when we're already shooting lovely images in 720p with our GY-HD 100/101s? The release of the 200/250 models show that JVC is a true friend to the independent filmmaker and has made the slogan "Affordable HD" into a fact. As it has no "high-end" camera to protect (as do Sony and Panasonic) it could also usher in an era of "Affordable 1080p". I've been looking closely at XDCAM HD (1/2" chips) and RED (could still be a while in development) for when I eventually step up to 1080p and I think there is a massive opening for JVC to "own" the independent filmmaking market if it releases the HD7000 (or perhaps they should call it the "HD1080") with 2/3'' chips giving 1080p24 for about US$25k-30k. And use a better codec, maybe even JPEG2000 which is required in the new DCI (Digital Cinema Initiative) specifications. That way you could stay in the one codec all the way from capture, through editing to (Digital) Cinema Screen. Just a thought. When I bought my GY-HD101E last July I remember saying (quite often), "For the price point, this camera is an absolute miracle." If JVC were to bring out a 2/3" 1080p24 model around $25k before the end of this year, I'd be saying it all over again.

April 28th, 2006, 12:20 AM	#12
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	Maybe they never could nail that CMOS sensor. Without a sensor JVC wouldn't have a choice. I don't think JVC have any in house sensor production capabilities like Sony and Canon have. I think Sony even make the HD100s sensor. It's good news for Sony if no one else.

April 29th, 2006, 03:17 AM	#15
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	"They're concentrating their efforts at the low end" Hopefully that means second and third generation models sooner rather than later. Without allocating resources to the 7000 it means going without the 7000, but more and more improvements comming quicker to the current 100 series. I hope it also means some soon to be introduced 1U/10U replacements with 25/50p and full manual support. "where they can really make some noise." lol, the places we could go with that ;-)