ALERT: Power OFF before changing Firewire or switching HDV/DV

Federico Lang · January 17th, 2007, 10:44 PM

Hi, I really recomend turning all off. I own a PowerMac G5 and it has blown not only a canopus ADVC100 but also my JVCHD100, BE really careful with macs!!

Brian Luce · January 17th, 2007, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks

You're playin' with fire! (pun intended)

Thanks. I'm gonna change my evil ways...

The one that surprises me the most is the dv/hdv switch. Wouldn't think that'd be damaging...

Alex Dunn · February 11th, 2007, 10:10 PM

Some responses here say the port isolator solves the issue, cuts the power rendering it equivilant to a 4 pin. Others are saying, no, even with the port isolator you still need to shut both down.

Which is it?

Jeffrey Butler · February 23rd, 2007, 12:14 PM

I ain't buyin' it. Can you zorch stuff? Oh yeah! Have I? First time I turned on my new G5, I felt the static discharge leave my finger and poof. No mac. But only for a few minutes. Whatever flipped, flopped. SO I was fine. Whew.

I wonder - out loud - if it isn't all about static discharge - and NOT hot-swapping. If you can set your Jeep on fire at a gas station w/ static, surely you can zorch your camera - but who is wondering if this blonde had her car running while fueling? Did she plug the filler neck in upside down?

Maybe....but I bet each of you zorched your gear another way, and just assumed it was hot swapping. I'm willing to sit corrected, but...zzzzaaaapp!

Jeff

Jeffrey Butler · February 23rd, 2007, 12:15 PM

Just so I'm not corrected, the original post lost it's meaning in my reply. Hot swapping w/ a particular camera that has particular issues - sure. I'll buy that. But not generally.

David Scattergood · February 23rd, 2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

I have not had time to contact Kramer again and find out what was going on--I just returned it because apparently (maybe) the thing doesn't work with HDV HD signals--only DV stuff.

That's really only a guess, but you may want to watch out for this if you buy one and you are using an HD100.

Anybody else back this up? I haven't used an HDV signal with the Kramer box yet but I won't be happy if this can't, for whatever reason, pass a HDV signal...Carl - does this ring any bells?

Would sleep mode in the mac constitute a full powering off?

Carl Hicks · February 23rd, 2007, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Scattergood

Anybody else back this up? I haven't used an HDV signal with the Kramer box yet but I won't be happy if this can't, for whatever reason, pass a HDV signal...Carl - does this ring any bells?

Would sleep mode in the mac constitute a full powering off?

I'm not a Mac user, so I don't know. Can a Mac owner answer this question?

George David · February 26th, 2007, 02:22 PM

Dave and Carl,

When I put my mac to sleep mode the firewire drive that's getting power from the bus goes off as well. So, I'd say sleep mode is the same as powering off (at least on the firewire side). One weird thing, I thought that my mac killed the HD100 firewire port. I plugged the HD100 to a WinXP machine and it worked. It's FW port still doesn't work on the mac (the mac powers other devices fine). Go figure! I just ordered a port isolator to remove my anxeity.

George

David Scattergood · February 26th, 2007, 04:48 PM

Cheers George. Be handy if Sleep mode was fine...it only takes a second to spring back to life.
Thanks.

Joshua Clarke · April 24th, 2007, 05:03 PM

I'm going to ask this naively, because I'm praying to God this isn't the case. I've tried connecting my HD100 to my Windows computer, a Mac laptop, and an IMac. None of the system recognize the camera. I've tried with a 4 to 6 and a 6 to 6 and neither of those work. Do I have a blown port? If so, how much does it cost to get repaired and how long does the process take?

Edit: Is there anyway I can test it to make sure whether or not it's blown?

Carl Hicks · April 24th, 2007, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Clarke

I'm going to ask this naively, because I'm praying to God this isn't the case. I've tried connecting my HD100 to my Windows computer, a Mac laptop, and an IMac. None of the system recognize the camera. I've tried with a 4 to 6 and a 6 to 6 and neither of those work. Do I have a blown port? If so, how much does it cost to get repaired and how long does the process take?

Edit: Is there anyway I can test it to make sure whether or not it's blown?

Have you called JVC support? (See sticky at top of forum for instructions)

Joshua Clarke · April 24th, 2007, 05:58 PM

Carl, yes. But it's after hours and I'll have to wait until tomorrow morning. In the meantime, I'm enjoying a minor coronary.

Peter Wiley · April 24th, 2007, 06:31 PM

My Sony DSR-11 has a little label on it that says "DO NOT hot-swap firewire" -- I made the label because one of the first things I did with it was to burn out the firewire chip.

Firewire has never been reliably hot-swapable see:

http://www.wiebetech.com/pressreleas...rtFailures.htm

http://lowendmac.com/misc/03/0421.html

Joshua Clarke · April 25th, 2007, 06:26 PM

Hey Peter, you're from Lewisburg? I'm from Schuylkill County myself.

Bruno Vaz · May 11th, 2007, 06:11 AM

About all this firewire subject, i can afirm that JVC released a service bulletin in order to change the 6 pin IEEE plug for a improved one, which avoids REVERSE insertion of the DV cable. A great number of damaged Firewire ic's (integrated circuits) was due to wrong insertion of the cable. I've seen some ic's with a hole in it!
Despite this measure, for better protection, is always better to power-off the camera before inserting the cable.

Regards

January 17th, 2007, 10:44 PM	#61
Federico Lang Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San José, Costa Rica Posts: 52	Blown camera and canopus Hi, I really recomend turning all off. I own a PowerMac G5 and it has blown not only a canopus ADVC100 but also my JVCHD100, BE really careful with macs!!

February 23rd, 2007, 12:14 PM	#64
Jeffrey Butler Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virgina, USA Posts: 276	Statistically Static I ain't buyin' it. Can you zorch stuff? Oh yeah! Have I? First time I turned on my new G5, I felt the static discharge leave my finger and poof. No mac. But only for a few minutes. Whatever flipped, flopped. SO I was fine. Whew. I wonder - out loud - if it isn't all about static discharge - and NOT hot-swapping. If you can set your Jeep on fire at a gas station w/ static, surely you can zorch your camera - but who is wondering if this blonde had her car running while fueling? Did she plug the filler neck in upside down? Maybe....but I bet each of you zorched your gear another way, and just assumed it was hot swapping. I'm willing to sit corrected, but...zzzzaaaapp! Jeff __________________ Jeff Butler Butler Films Last edited by Jeffrey Butler; February 23rd, 2007 at 03:25 PM.

February 23rd, 2007, 12:15 PM	#65
Jeffrey Butler Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virgina, USA Posts: 276	But... Just so I'm not corrected, the original post lost it's meaning in my reply. Hot swapping w/ a particular camera that has particular issues - sure. I'll buy that. But not generally. __________________ Jeff Butler Butler Films

April 24th, 2007, 05:03 PM	#70
Joshua Clarke Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 88	I'm going to ask this naively, because I'm praying to God this isn't the case. I've tried connecting my HD100 to my Windows computer, a Mac laptop, and an IMac. None of the system recognize the camera. I've tried with a 4 to 6 and a 6 to 6 and neither of those work. Do I have a blown port? If so, how much does it cost to get repaired and how long does the process take? Edit: Is there anyway I can test it to make sure whether or not it's blown? __________________ Section 1 Films

April 24th, 2007, 05:58 PM	#72
Joshua Clarke Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 88	Carl, yes. But it's after hours and I'll have to wait until tomorrow morning. In the meantime, I'm enjoying a minor coronary. __________________ Section 1 Films

February 11th, 2007, 10:10 PM	#63
Alex Dunn Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 202	Some responses here say the port isolator solves the issue, cuts the power rendering it equivilant to a 4 pin. Others are saying, no, even with the port isolator you still need to shut both down. Which is it?

February 26th, 2007, 02:22 PM	#68
George David Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 150	Dave and Carl, When I put my mac to sleep mode the firewire drive that's getting power from the bus goes off as well. So, I'd say sleep mode is the same as powering off (at least on the firewire side). One weird thing, I thought that my mac killed the HD100 firewire port. I plugged the HD100 to a WinXP machine and it worked. It's FW port still doesn't work on the mac (the mac powers other devices fine). Go figure! I just ordered a port isolator to remove my anxeity. George

February 26th, 2007, 04:48 PM	#69
David Scattergood Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 755	Cheers George. Be handy if Sleep mode was fine...it only takes a second to spring back to life. Thanks.

April 24th, 2007, 06:31 PM	#73
Peter Wiley Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lewisburg PA Posts: 752	My Sony DSR-11 has a little label on it that says "DO NOT hot-swap firewire" -- I made the label because one of the first things I did with it was to burn out the firewire chip. Firewire has never been reliably hot-swapable see: http://www.wiebetech.com/pressreleas...rtFailures.htm http://lowendmac.com/misc/03/0421.html

April 25th, 2007, 06:26 PM	#74
Joshua Clarke Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 88	Hey Peter, you're from Lewisburg? I'm from Schuylkill County myself. __________________ Section 1 Films

May 11th, 2007, 06:11 AM	#75
Bruno Vaz New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 20	About all this firewire subject, i can afirm that JVC released a service bulletin in order to change the 6 pin IEEE plug for a improved one, which avoids REVERSE insertion of the DV cable. A great number of damaged Firewire ic's (integrated circuits) was due to wrong insertion of the cable. I've seen some ic's with a hole in it! Despite this measure, for better protection, is always better to power-off the camera before inserting the cable. Regards