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Panos Bournias · March 8th, 2006, 10:43 AM

Hi everyone. I just received this afternoon the Th13X3.5RMU.
Is midnight now and I just finished the back focus, no shooting today - tomorrow. Anyhow my first impressions are: It is 2X heavier than the 16X, 5 cm longer, CA, during the backfocus with the 16X I was always experiencing the magenta at the edges of the star, with this one nothing.
Detail off on the JVC and I feel that the sharpness is really better.
Breathing almost -0-.
I open this new thread as for sure more people will purchase or use the lens. Unfortunatelly I cannot post footage as I live in Bali and my internet connection is very slow.
I will try to share my experiences with the lens... with words.
With the idx battery pack no balancing trouble.
For the end: I bought it for 6.900 usd.
My distributor in Jakarta told me that is still overpriced and he can still make money out of this price. So this is it. I lock up and go to bed.
I think the wide point is ~18 - 20 , and the tele is ~ 180, I don't know exactly yet.
Panos B

Tim Dashwood · March 8th, 2006, 12:38 PM

I too am a big fan of this lens.
I had an opportunity to test the 13x3.5 lens a couple weeks ago. It is a very well made lens and wider than you would expect. It has much less CA (although it is still present to some degree) but the lens hardly breathes at all.
I'm throwing together a review now, but here is a sneak peak at the breathing comparison. (I posted this last week in another thread.)

Click here to view Quicktime loop of Breathing comparison

Here is the wide end field of view comparison. I established these FOV through physically locking the camera, changing lenses and marking the corners of the frame on a white board. I was surprised that the 3.5mm measured so much wider than the 5.5mm with the Wide adapter on. The wide adapter is supposed to render and equivalent of 4.5mm, so I assumed it would be somewhere inbetween.
I superimosed an image I quickly shot in a car to show how wide the lens really is in "the real world."

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/...3xvs16xFOV.jpg

I recommended to the production company I work with to buy the lens, and they have. I should have it in my hands later this week.

Stephen L. Noe · March 8th, 2006, 01:47 PM

Tim,

According to the angle chart it breaks down like this
16x -------------> 48 degrees
16x w/adapter ---> 58 degrees
13x -------------> 70 degrees

70 degrees is a HEAP of angle to have and I think ideal for nature documentary or tight interior. How is the CA out at 13x?

Jon Glen · March 8th, 2006, 02:56 PM

angle? can someone please explain the "angle" of the lens

thanks

Stephen L. Noe · March 8th, 2006, 04:50 PM

Jon,

Click here for image.

Steve

Maurice Jolly · March 8th, 2006, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panos Bournias

Hi everyone. I just received this afternoon the Th13X3.5RMU.
Is midnight now and I just finished the back focus, no shooting today - tomorrow. Anyhow my first impressions are: It is 2X heavier than the 16X, 5 cm longer, CA, during the backfocus with the 16X I was always experiencing the magenta at the edges of the star, with this one nothing.
Detail off on the JVC and I feel that the sharpness is really better.
Breathing almost -0-.
I open this new thread as for sure more people will purchase or use the lens. Unfortunatelly I cannot post footage as I live in Bali and my internet connection is very slow.
I will try to share my experiences with the lens... with words.
With the idx battery pack no balancing trouble.
For the end: I bought it for 6.900 usd.
My distributor in Jakarta told me that is still overpriced and he can still make money out of this price. So this is it. I lock up and go to bed.
I think the wide point is ~18 - 20 , and the tele is ~ 180, I don't know exactly yet.
Panos B

panos,
can you give out the contact information on your distributor in jakarta.

Paolo Ciccone · March 8th, 2006, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice Jolly

panos,
can you give out the contact information on your distributor in jakarta.

No kiddin'. Even with shipping and customs it would be cheaper than the $9000.00 street price in the USA :)

--
Paolo

Jon Glen · March 8th, 2006, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe

Jon,

Click here for image.

Steve

thanks steve, appreciated

Ian E. Pearson · March 8th, 2006, 08:38 PM

Only 6900!?!?!?! thats awesome! Its on B&H for 8999 I may be able to buy it eventually.

Daniel Patton · March 8th, 2006, 09:46 PM

I use to drool over cars... now it's a damn lens.

Congrats Panos!

Panos Bournias · March 9th, 2006, 12:21 AM

The contact info in Jakarta is:
Alfatech
Wisma Kyoei Prince
Jl. Sudirman Kav.3
Jakarta 10220
Tl. +62-21-5723139
Fax. +62361 5724320
e-mail: info@alfatech-broadcast.com
Try to contact Mr Adie

Impressions: The lens is better overall.
CA still exists but it is more controlable and of a finer nature.
Occurs only at very high contrast situations, black against white and can be controlled with accurate exposure.
Color resolution better than the 16X, sharper and "sweeter" if I can say so. Very little breathing and more flexible use for shal. DOF as is usable at 1,4 appert. without problems at the end tele.
Sweet part between ~2,8. to ~8. at 11 still not serious negative characteristics.
The sizes compaired to 35mm are: ~24mm (wide) - ~300mm (Tele).
Still no time for serious testing. I am waiting for Tim's evaluation as I respect his oppinions very much. I tried the lens with his recipies and I found more attractive the Amelie (warm) one, but I used a knee at 85%.
Yes... very happy.
Panos B.

March 9th, 2006, 01:25 AM

What's the US price?

Daniel Weber · March 9th, 2006, 07:44 AM

you could fly to Jakarta pick up the lens. go shoot some awesome footage in a great country. fly home and still pay less than what b&h charges for the lens.

dan weber

Joel Aaron · March 9th, 2006, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Weber

you could fly to Jakarta pick up the lens. go shoot some awesome footage in a great country. fly home and still pay less than what b&h charges for the lens.

dan weber

And write it off your taxes. Hmmm.... guess I'll have to Google Jakarta.

Daniel Weber · March 9th, 2006, 10:05 AM

Since this is what I do for work, (travel and shoot). I can give you a few tips on the cheapest way to travel.

I use www.sidestep.com as a tool to search for flight options at cheap prices. I find a flight option that works for me price wise and is on my airline of choice (United for me). I then write down the exact flight info and times and then go to the airlines direct website and use the multi-city search option. Insert all of the info that you wrote down and usually you will have a cheaper flight option than the one on on sidestep.

The best way to get through Jakarta is through Bangkok. You will arrive in Bangkok at 12:00 am and will need to get a hotel until you can catch your flight to Jakarta. The Miracle Grand is a 5 start hotel with the best breakfast you will ever find for around $55 a night. Google Asia Travel to make your reservation. They will also pick you up and take you back to the airport.

Dan Weber

March 8th, 2006, 10:43 AM	#1
Panos Bournias Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 109	Th13X3.5BRMU Hi everyone. I just received this afternoon the Th13X3.5RMU. Is midnight now and I just finished the back focus, no shooting today - tomorrow. Anyhow my first impressions are: It is 2X heavier than the 16X, 5 cm longer, CA, during the backfocus with the 16X I was always experiencing the magenta at the edges of the star, with this one nothing. Detail off on the JVC and I feel that the sharpness is really better. Breathing almost -0-. I open this new thread as for sure more people will purchase or use the lens. Unfortunatelly I cannot post footage as I live in Bali and my internet connection is very slow. I will try to share my experiences with the lens... with words. With the idx battery pack no balancing trouble. For the end: I bought it for 6.900 usd. My distributor in Jakarta told me that is still overpriced and he can still make money out of this price. So this is it. I lock up and go to bed. I think the wide point is ~18 - 20 , and the tele is ~ 180, I don't know exactly yet. Panos B

March 8th, 2006, 12:38 PM	#2
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	I too am a big fan of this lens. I had an opportunity to test the 13x3.5 lens a couple weeks ago. It is a very well made lens and wider than you would expect. It has much less CA (although it is still present to some degree) but the lens hardly breathes at all. I'm throwing together a review now, but here is a sneak peak at the breathing comparison. (I posted this last week in another thread.) Click here to view Quicktime loop of Breathing comparison Here is the wide end field of view comparison. I established these FOV through physically locking the camera, changing lenses and marking the corners of the frame on a white board. I was surprised that the 3.5mm measured so much wider than the 5.5mm with the Wide adapter on. The wide adapter is supposed to render and equivalent of 4.5mm, so I assumed it would be somewhere inbetween. I superimosed an image I quickly shot in a car to show how wide the lens really is in "the real world." http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/...3xvs16xFOV.jpg I recommended to the production company I work with to buy the lens, and they have. I should have it in my hands later this week. __________________ Tim Dashwood

March 8th, 2006, 02:56 PM	#4
Jon Glen Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver Posts: 40	angle? can someone please explain the "angle" of the lens thanks __________________ They are Them Moving Pictures theyarethem.com

March 8th, 2006, 09:46 PM	#10
Daniel Patton Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Knoxville TN Posts: 589	I use to drool over cars... now it's a damn lens. Congrats Panos! __________________ Our eyes allow us to see the world - The lens allows others to see the world through our eyes. RED ONE #977

March 9th, 2006, 12:21 AM	#11
Panos Bournias Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 109	price The contact info in Jakarta is: Alfatech Wisma Kyoei Prince Jl. Sudirman Kav.3 Jakarta 10220 Tl. +62-21-5723139 Fax. +62361 5724320 e-mail: info@alfatech-broadcast.com Try to contact Mr Adie Impressions: The lens is better overall. CA still exists but it is more controlable and of a finer nature. Occurs only at very high contrast situations, black against white and can be controlled with accurate exposure. Color resolution better than the 16X, sharper and "sweeter" if I can say so. Very little breathing and more flexible use for shal. DOF as is usable at 1,4 appert. without problems at the end tele. Sweet part between ~2,8. to ~8. at 11 still not serious negative characteristics. The sizes compaired to 35mm are: ~24mm (wide) - ~300mm (Tele). Still no time for serious testing. I am waiting for Tim's evaluation as I respect his oppinions very much. I tried the lens with his recipies and I found more attractive the Amelie (warm) one, but I used a knee at 85%. Yes... very happy. Panos B.

March 8th, 2006, 01:47 PM	#3
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	Tim, According to the angle chart it breaks down like this 16x -------------> 48 degrees 16x w/adapter ---> 58 degrees 13x -------------> 70 degrees 70 degrees is a HEAP of angle to have and I think ideal for nature documentary or tight interior. How is the CA out at 13x?

March 8th, 2006, 04:50 PM	#5
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	Jon, Click here for image. Steve

March 8th, 2006, 08:38 PM	#9
Ian E. Pearson Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Greeley, CO Posts: 52	Only 6900!?!?!?! thats awesome! Its on B&H for 8999 I may be able to buy it eventually.

March 9th, 2006, 01:25 AM	#12
Guest Posts: n/a	What's the US price? Last edited by Guest; March 9th, 2006 at 09:51 AM.

March 9th, 2006, 07:44 AM	#13
Daniel Weber Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 696	you could fly to Jakarta pick up the lens. go shoot some awesome footage in a great country. fly home and still pay less than what b&h charges for the lens. dan weber

March 9th, 2006, 10:05 AM	#15
Daniel Weber Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 696	Since this is what I do for work, (travel and shoot). I can give you a few tips on the cheapest way to travel. I use www.sidestep.com as a tool to search for flight options at cheap prices. I find a flight option that works for me price wise and is on my airline of choice (United for me). I then write down the exact flight info and times and then go to the airlines direct website and use the multi-city search option. Insert all of the info that you wrote down and usually you will have a cheaper flight option than the one on on sidestep. The best way to get through Jakarta is through Bangkok. You will arrive in Bangkok at 12:00 am and will need to get a hotel until you can catch your flight to Jakarta. The Miracle Grand is a 5 start hotel with the best breakfast you will ever find for around $55 a night. Google Asia Travel to make your reservation. They will also pick you up and take you back to the airport. Dan Weber