What Deck to compliment the HD100? at DVinfo.net

Ray Allan · February 11th, 2006, 07:26 PM

I am about to take the plunge of buying the HD100 and would like to buy a deck so that I can capture from it and output back onto tape for broadcast.

Can I get suggestions as to which one I should buy?

I will be using a Mac G5 & FCP to edit and will probably buy a Kona or Blackmagic.

I look forward to your help with this - many thanks
Ray

Nate Weaver · February 11th, 2006, 07:39 PM

There's only one deck for 24P capture, and that's the JVC BR50.

For output, it's more complicated. The JVC HDV deck will do DV, DVCAM or HDV. The trick is that HDV really isn't a broadcast format. Even Lightning Dubbs here in Los Angeles can't take a JVC HDV 24p tape and make a DVCPRO HD or HDCAM.

I personally have built a system where I can rent an HD deck and output that way. The other method, which is only good for certain markets is the offline @home, online elsewhere scenario. A cottage industry has sprung up in Los Angeles for people offlining FCP projects at home, then take your firewire drive in and output on somebody else's rig.

Luis Otero · February 11th, 2006, 07:50 PM

Remember that little deck (CU-VH1)? I own and use it successfully for all my projects. That is an inexpensive "spooler" that can be used to complement the HD100. You cannot see in it's LCD the 24P image, but you can use it to capture and write back 24P, 30P or 60i. That way you do not put extra hours of use on your camera drums...

Luis

Stephen L. Noe · February 11th, 2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Allan

I am about to take the plunge of buying the HD100 and would like to buy a deck so that I can capture from it and output back onto tape for broadcast.

Can I get suggestions as to which one I should buy?

I will be using a Mac G5 & FCP to edit and will probably buy a Kona or Blackmagic.

I look forward to your help with this - many thanks
Ray

For broadcast SD.. DVcam? BetaSP? DVCPro50?
For broadcast HD.. HDcam?

Albert Henson · February 12th, 2006, 01:04 AM

you can use any sony hdv camera or it's deck to playback the JVC's 720p footage. The only mode they won't play back is 24p unfortunately. But if your looking for Bang for your buck, the sony deck plays back both 1080i and 720p. The jvc only plays back 720p and mini dv. THe sony will also playback and record dvcam, and hdv in ntsc and pal.

Good luck with your purchase.

Barry Green · February 12th, 2006, 02:50 AM

Sony decks won't allow you to digitize footage that was shot on HDV tapes. You can only view the footage on a monitor, Sony decks won't transport JVC HDV footage across the firewire.

Ray Allan · February 12th, 2006, 06:43 AM

Thanks guys for your responses. Stephen, initially I would be looking to output to DVCAM for broadcast work but then upgrade to HD when the networks offer this here in the UK.

So, just to clarify, if I buy the BR50 can I:

• capture footage from the HD100 onto FCP?
• capture footage recorded from the Sony FX1?
• output the completed project on DVCAM?
• upgrade to export HD for broadcast?

One last thing…If I purchase the BR50 what would the benefit of buying the Kona LH?

many thanks
Ray

Albert Henson · February 12th, 2006, 11:36 AM

you won't be able to export to dvcam via the jvc deck, and yes you can in fact import all your footage(both 720p and 1080i, with the exception of 24p) throught the sony decks. I do it everyday. Basically all plug and play.

William Hohauser · February 12th, 2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry Green

Sony decks won't allow you to digitize footage that was shot on HDV tapes. You can only view the footage on a monitor, Sony decks won't transport JVC HDV footage across the firewire.

Really, what's the point of that? The Sony product material doesn't state that at all! If it does it's really hidden. The blurb stating 720p30 playback is as follows: "HDV 720/30p playback (no 720p recording)" this does not say analog only. Website: http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...p=142&id=78440

Do you know this from experience? I was wondering why the Sony deck I just got Friday would only play the JVC tapes on the analog outputs. Argh. I might just return it.

Tim Dashwood · February 12th, 2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Allan

So, just to clarify, if I buy the BR50 can I:

• capture footage from the HD100 onto FCP?

Yes, all JVC formats.

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Originally Posted by Ray Allan

• capture footage recorded from the Sony FX1?

No

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Originally Posted by Ray Allan

• output the completed project on DVCAM?

Not Sony's DVCAM, but DV, including miniDV and large format DV.

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Originally Posted by Ray Allan

• upgrade to export HD for broadcast?

You will be able to export HDV 720P back to the deck, but it is up to each individual broadcaster if they will accept HDV.

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Originally Posted by Ray Allan

One last thing…If I purchase the BR50 what would the benefit of buying the Kona LH?

Uncompressed 720P60 or 720P50 capture via YRB analog outs on deck. Unfortunately the deck does not have YRB inputs, only Y/C (S-Video) and composite.

Albert Henson · February 12th, 2006, 03:37 PM

I use a sony hc1 to playback and for fcp to capture footage I gather with the hd100. It works fine for both the 720p and 1080i. I've also used the HVR-M10U VTR first hand to capture 720p hdv footage gathered from the hd100 as a solution.The jvc deck is fine if you want to lay back in hdv or standard dv. I recommend that you try both a jvc and sony deck out and see for yourself. But as I said before-if you want bang for your buck adn cross compatability. sony is cornering this aspect of the hdv market. I will reiterate once again though, that sony cannot playback or layback or capture, 24p footage.

Kevin Wild · February 12th, 2006, 03:48 PM

I keep hearing talk of a deck that is going to support both 720p and 1080i AND Canon's frame mode...basically everything. Several people have dropped hints here and I talked to a sales person recently who said something is coming soon...before NAB.

Anyone have any more info? I need a deck. I'd like to stop using the H1 as a deck!

Kevin

Edwin Huang · February 12th, 2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Henson

I use a sony hc1 to playback and for fcp to capture footage I gather with the hd100. It works fine for both the 720p and 1080i. I've also used the HVR-M10U VTR first hand to capture 720p hdv footage gathered from the hd100 as a solution.The jvc deck is fine if you want to lay back in hdv or standard dv. I recommend that you try both a jvc and sony deck out and see for yourself. But as I said before-if you want bang for your buck adn cross compatability. sony is cornering this aspect of the hdv market. I will reiterate once again though, that sony cannot playback or layback or capture, 24p footage.

Wait, you capture 720p30 on the HC1 into finalcut?

Whoa, for the price of a BR-HD50U, i can get 2 Sony cmos cams that I can abuse as capture decks?

This sounds too good to be true. Will it capture 480p60 and the 576p50 too?

Albert Henson · February 12th, 2006, 10:51 PM

you bet. it works like a charm. and I also use the cam as a secondary camera when I shoot with the z1.

Ray Allan · February 13th, 2006, 05:29 PM

Okay, is there a deck I can use that can input from the HD100 that would allow me to output to DVC Pro (25 & 50)?

I am quoting this off a tech spec sheet from an itv production dept.

And what format would you suggest I shoot, capture and edit to get the best results for broadcast?

Last question - If I install the Kona LH will this allow me to capture, and 'layback' from the HD100, and in what fromats?

many thanks
Ray

February 11th, 2006, 07:26 PM	#1
Ray Allan New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 18	What Deck to compliment the HD100? I am about to take the plunge of buying the HD100 and would like to buy a deck so that I can capture from it and output back onto tape for broadcast. Can I get suggestions as to which one I should buy? I will be using a Mac G5 & FCP to edit and will probably buy a Kona or Blackmagic. I look forward to your help with this - many thanks Ray

February 11th, 2006, 07:39 PM	#2
Nate Weaver Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,100	There's only one deck for 24P capture, and that's the JVC BR50. For output, it's more complicated. The JVC HDV deck will do DV, DVCAM or HDV. The trick is that HDV really isn't a broadcast format. Even Lightning Dubbs here in Los Angeles can't take a JVC HDV 24p tape and make a DVCPRO HD or HDCAM. I personally have built a system where I can rent an HD deck and output that way. The other method, which is only good for certain markets is the offline @home, online elsewhere scenario. A cottage industry has sprung up in Los Angeles for people offlining FCP projects at home, then take your firewire drive in and output on somebody else's rig. __________________ My Work: nateweaver.net

February 11th, 2006, 07:50 PM	#3
Luis Otero Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Fort Dodge, IA Posts: 221	CU-VH1 "Spooler" Remember that little deck (CU-VH1)? I own and use it successfully for all my projects. That is an inexpensive "spooler" that can be used to complement the HD100. You cannot see in it's LCD the 24P image, but you can use it to capture and write back 24P, 30P or 60i. That way you do not put extra hours of use on your camera drums... Luis

February 12th, 2006, 01:04 AM	#5
Albert Henson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 65	you can use any sony hdv camera or it's deck to playback the JVC's 720p footage. The only mode they won't play back is 24p unfortunately. But if your looking for Bang for your buck, the sony deck plays back both 1080i and 720p. The jvc only plays back 720p and mini dv. THe sony will also playback and record dvcam, and hdv in ntsc and pal. Good luck with your purchase.

February 12th, 2006, 02:50 AM	#6
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Sony decks won't allow you to digitize footage that was shot on HDV tapes. You can only view the footage on a monitor, Sony decks won't transport JVC HDV footage across the firewire.

February 12th, 2006, 06:43 AM	#7
Ray Allan New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 18	Thanks guys for your responses. Stephen, initially I would be looking to output to DVCAM for broadcast work but then upgrade to HD when the networks offer this here in the UK. So, just to clarify, if I buy the BR50 can I: • capture footage from the HD100 onto FCP? • capture footage recorded from the Sony FX1? • output the completed project on DVCAM? • upgrade to export HD for broadcast? One last thing…If I purchase the BR50 what would the benefit of buying the Kona LH? many thanks Ray

February 12th, 2006, 11:36 AM	#8
Albert Henson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 65	you won't be able to export to dvcam via the jvc deck, and yes you can in fact import all your footage(both 720p and 1080i, with the exception of 24p) throught the sony decks. I do it everyday. Basically all plug and play.

February 12th, 2006, 03:37 PM	#11
Albert Henson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 65	I use a sony hc1 to playback and for fcp to capture footage I gather with the hd100. It works fine for both the 720p and 1080i. I've also used the HVR-M10U VTR first hand to capture 720p hdv footage gathered from the hd100 as a solution.The jvc deck is fine if you want to lay back in hdv or standard dv. I recommend that you try both a jvc and sony deck out and see for yourself. But as I said before-if you want bang for your buck adn cross compatability. sony is cornering this aspect of the hdv market. I will reiterate once again though, that sony cannot playback or layback or capture, 24p footage.

February 12th, 2006, 03:48 PM	#12
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	I keep hearing talk of a deck that is going to support both 720p and 1080i AND Canon's frame mode...basically everything. Several people have dropped hints here and I talked to a sales person recently who said something is coming soon...before NAB. Anyone have any more info? I need a deck. I'd like to stop using the H1 as a deck! Kevin

February 12th, 2006, 10:51 PM	#14
Albert Henson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 65	you bet. it works like a charm. and I also use the cam as a secondary camera when I shoot with the z1.

February 13th, 2006, 05:29 PM	#15
Ray Allan New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 18	Okay, is there a deck I can use that can input from the HD100 that would allow me to output to DVC Pro (25 & 50)? I am quoting this off a tech spec sheet from an itv production dept. And what format would you suggest I shoot, capture and edit to get the best results for broadcast? Last question - If I install the Kona LH will this allow me to capture, and 'layback' from the HD100, and in what fromats? many thanks Ray