ordering the GY-HD100U tomorrow...i have questions at DVinfo.net

Abel Vang · November 29th, 2005, 01:49 AM

i'm ordering the GY-HD100 tomorrow....i really want to know what's the best editing software to edit 720p 24p. i've been working with adobe premiere and final cut pro for awhile, but i've only worked with SD DV. i've heard lots of pros and cons about cineform and lumiere....so what's the best solution to editing the best quaility of 720p 24p without using all that hd-sdi (expensive) stuff?

Stephen L. Noe · November 29th, 2005, 08:20 AM

What software are you currently using?

Tim Dashwood · November 29th, 2005, 08:47 AM

At the moment the problems aren't with quality - they are with workflow.

All the NLEs with HDV support seem to work fine with 720P30 footage.

I haven't personally used it, but on the PC side everyone seems to concur that AspectHD is the best approach for ingesting 720P24 footage.

On the Mac side, I think HDVxDV is currently the simplest way to capture sync sound footage with timecode, but it is limited in its functionality (cannot log first, then digitize or output back to HDV tape.) You can download a free trial from their website and try it out.
I've given LumiereHD 1.6b2 a few weeks of my time and have consistently been frustrated with the level of complexity and pure bugginess (plus no TC.) It is a little unfair for me to judge their forthcoming 2.0 version based on the beta, but at the moment I wish we hadn't spent the money on the beta.

Stephen L. Noe · November 29th, 2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

....everyone seems to concur that AspectHD is the best approach for ingesting 720P24 footage....

I do not concur with this. This is the best method if you're on Premiere Pro.

If you are on Liquid or Avid it's a completely different approach. What are you currently using for an NLE?

David Newman · November 29th, 2005, 10:43 AM

Stephen, doesn't Liquid and Avid still have workflow issues with 24p HDV? Aspect HD and Prospect HD do not any issues with the 24p modes (Canon 24F support coming in about a week.) You may not favor Premiere Pro but at the moment using one of the CineForm products with Premiere Pro (or Sony Vegas) will get you a seamless 24p workflow. As Abel already uses Premiere (hopefully the PC version), this best option is a $499 upgrade to Aspect HD.

Stephen L. Noe · November 29th, 2005, 10:51 AM

David,

Of course the Cineform way is valid. No disputing that. If the user already has $$$$ invested in an NLE that is not Premiere Pro (for instance Liquid or Avid) there are work arounds to get an output that is satisfactory as well. You are correct in that Liquid, FCP and Avid are still not as far along as Cineform for capturing.

If the user is on another (non Premiere Pro) NLE, we can help as well.

best,

Michael Maier · November 29th, 2005, 04:11 PM

I heard the latest version of Premiere doesn't need Cineform to capture HDV. Although I'm not sure it also includes ProHD (24p).

David Newman · November 29th, 2005, 04:36 PM

For all HDV 24p work you will need Aspect HD, and for real-time work in any HD mode within Premiere Pro CineForm products are the way to go. This should remain true for sometime, although I can't comment on what Adobe may do in the future. Adobe is a good partner of CineForm's and visa versa, we complement each other well. For the common HDV modes you don't need our tools (although it can help), CineForm focuses on the filmmaker by adding the new modes like 24p (JVC) and 24F (Canon) and supporting pull-down extract and progressive processing of CineFrame modes (Sony.)

November 29th, 2005, 01:49 AM	#1
Abel Vang Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 49	ordering the GY-HD100U tomorrow...i have questions i'm ordering the GY-HD100 tomorrow....i really want to know what's the best editing software to edit 720p 24p. i've been working with adobe premiere and final cut pro for awhile, but i've only worked with SD DV. i've heard lots of pros and cons about cineform and lumiere....so what's the best solution to editing the best quaility of 720p 24p without using all that hd-sdi (expensive) stuff?

November 29th, 2005, 10:43 AM	#5
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Stephen, doesn't Liquid and Avid still have workflow issues with 24p HDV? Aspect HD and Prospect HD do not any issues with the 24p modes (Canon 24F support coming in about a week.) You may not favor Premiere Pro but at the moment using one of the CineForm products with Premiere Pro (or Sony Vegas) will get you a seamless 24p workflow. As Abel already uses Premiere (hopefully the PC version), this best option is a $499 upgrade to Aspect HD. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 29th, 2005, 04:36 PM	#8
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	For all HDV 24p work you will need Aspect HD, and for real-time work in any HD mode within Premiere Pro CineForm products are the way to go. This should remain true for sometime, although I can't comment on what Adobe may do in the future. Adobe is a good partner of CineForm's and visa versa, we complement each other well. For the common HDV modes you don't need our tools (although it can help), CineForm focuses on the filmmaker by adding the new modes like 24p (JVC) and 24F (Canon) and supporting pull-down extract and progressive processing of CineFrame modes (Sony.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 29th, 2005, 08:20 AM	#2
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	What software are you currently using?

November 29th, 2005, 08:47 AM	#3
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	At the moment the problems aren't with quality - they are with workflow. All the NLEs with HDV support seem to work fine with 720P30 footage. I haven't personally used it, but on the PC side everyone seems to concur that AspectHD is the best approach for ingesting 720P24 footage. On the Mac side, I think HDVxDV is currently the simplest way to capture sync sound footage with timecode, but it is limited in its functionality (cannot log first, then digitize or output back to HDV tape.) You can download a free trial from their website and try it out. I've given LumiereHD 1.6b2 a few weeks of my time and have consistently been frustrated with the level of complexity and pure bugginess (plus no TC.) It is a little unfair for me to judge their forthcoming 2.0 version based on the beta, but at the moment I wish we hadn't spent the money on the beta.

November 29th, 2005, 10:51 AM	#6
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	David, Of course the Cineform way is valid. No disputing that. If the user already has $$$$ invested in an NLE that is not Premiere Pro (for instance Liquid or Avid) there are work arounds to get an output that is satisfactory as well. You are correct in that Liquid, FCP and Avid are still not as far along as Cineform for capturing. If the user is on another (non Premiere Pro) NLE, we can help as well. best,

November 29th, 2005, 04:11 PM	#7
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	I heard the latest version of Premiere doesn't need Cineform to capture HDV. Although I'm not sure it also includes ProHD (24p).