Deck control and time code issues

Jiri Bakala · January 6th, 2006, 08:53 AM

The deck IS fully supported (certified) by AVID in SD. Including the RS422. That means that the issues are only when working in HDV.

Sean McHenry · January 6th, 2006, 02:37 PM

I actually never thought to look in the SD devices for the BR-50 as we planned to use it only for HDV work. Thanks for pointing that out but I am now more confused then. What is keeping it form being certified with HDV?

Interesting. By the way, my JVC Engineer knew about your issue I think. Seems they now know you in JVC headquarters. Better keep a low profile for a while. : )

As for our audio and TC issue with the camera, he tells me our shoot tape is on it's way to Japan. Apparently they want to see it. Hmm.

Sean

Steve Mullen · January 7th, 2006, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean McHenry

I actually never thought to look in the SD devices for the BR-50 as we planned to use it only for HDV work. Thanks for pointing that out but I am now more confused then. What is keeping it form being certified with HDV?

Sean

MPEG-2 is very different than DV in the way a deck or camcorder can read TC while shuttling. Also it is slower to report status and accept commands.

Panos Bournias · January 7th, 2006, 11:54 PM

Our tape was also sent to JVC Japan and they came up with the conclusion that there were errors in TC, they reported that they supposed the Avid 520 (that time) and the BRHD50 were not working together optimally. As it happens the JVC and the Avid representative in Jakarta to be the same company, the response for us was fast.
We got in time the Avid upgrade 521 and the betta improvement for the BRHD50. Now we just wait for the full support of the cam from the Avid.
The curious thing was that the same problems for the particular MT2 file were obvious on the tape exported via Cineform and Canopus.
-Instead an Mt2 produced via cineform had no drop outs at all. This is that i cannot understand.
We also transcoded the m2t produced by the avid to Cineform m2t but the errors were there.
We also transcoded the sequence to DNXHD 75 with the same results.

The last upgrade of the spooler seems to work fine eliminating the errors.
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In sd the spooler works fine and it is fully supported by avid.
The HD 101 E though seems that cannot be recognised by the Avid application.
The HDlink recognises it immediately without problems. But the errors of the print out were more obvious through the camera than through the spooler. Maybe Steven can figure out a conclusion for these mysteries...
Anyway we are pioneering the domain HDV so we get a taste of this adventure... (That is not bad)!
Panos B

Jiri Bakala · January 8th, 2006, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panos Bournias

The last upgrade of the spooler seems to work fine eliminating the errors.

I am just curious here; how do you upgrade the deck? Is it a firmware? How is it installed?
Thanks.

Panos Bournias · January 8th, 2006, 06:19 AM

It is a firmware, i do not know how it is installed.
I know that it took him 10 to 15 min to install it but i did not go into his room to see what he was doing.
I know that it was a file sent from JVC attached to an e-mail.

Stewart Rein · January 8th, 2006, 06:46 PM

Has anyone encountered this problem with Avid and the Sony HVR-A1?. The camera is recognized in HDV Mode by HDLink and in Premiere Pro 1.5.1 with Aspect HD but not by Avid whose Console reports no camera initialized.

Avid will only recognize it as a DVcam Deck when set to down convert to DV.

Any ideas anyone?

Panos Bournias · January 9th, 2006, 12:30 AM

Jim, I have just noticed:
In the back of the spooler there is a memory socket for a normal SD card. They upgrade the spooler using a memory card with the firmware file throught that socket.

Sean McHenry · January 10th, 2006, 10:54 PM

Dang, forgot to tell everyone. I have yet to fully test it but, the ver 104 update seems to have gotten the deck to correctly send TC and respond to RS-422 controllers. I was able to work with one of our decks using our old Sony edit controllers in our tape viewing room, about 75 feet away yesterday.

You do indeed have a cover plate on the back of the deck. Insert the update SD card with the machine off. Set the front panel switches per the update instructions and hit a few menu buttons. The next bit is a touch scary. There is no real feedback except the last red LED of the audio 1/2 channel level flashes with activity. You see nothing on the monitor while updating. The updates on our 2 decks took nearly 5 minutes each. When it is done, both last audio ch 1/2 and 3/4 LEDs flash slowly. You remove the card and the machine will power itself off. On reboot, check the version number and make sure it is now the new version.

JVC current version for the BR-HD50U deck (NTSC) seems to be 104. Ours came with 102 and had all the RS-422 and TC issues.

I will be testing both decks directly hooked to Avids tomorrow.

Sean

John Mitchell · January 11th, 2006, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panos Bournias

The HD 101 E though seems that cannot be recognised by the Avid application.
Panos B

Panos - I have had the 101E working with both Adrenaline and XpressProHD (only in HDV30 as that is all that is supported). What were your problems?

David Dessel · January 11th, 2006, 06:37 AM

Sean,

I need this update too. How did you get it from JVC?

Best,

Dave Dessel

Sean McHenry · January 11th, 2006, 08:01 AM

Check with a JVC dealer (professional) and get your areas local support number. Ask for an Engineer. When you get in touch with a live human, explain to him you need the update for TC and RS/422 control issues. Let him know what version you currently have. The current update is ver 104.

They may point you to a download link. Grab the file, unzip it and save it on a SD card. They will likely e-mail you instructions on how to do the update.

Sean

Panos Bournias · January 11th, 2006, 10:28 AM

My problems John are described in this post.
In brief... while editing an HDV 720p project, everything was bad with the Xpress Pro 520 and everything went better with the 521 updated version.
But the big problem, before the update of the BRHD50, was that I could not export to HDV device without serious drop outs to the recorded project.
Now I did 6 in total print outs, for the 3 language versions of the project and it worked fine.
If I export to the camera, through the HD link, as Avid still cannot recognize it, i still get many drop outs, using the same m2t file.
I hope there will be an update for the camera too.
In DV mode it has been recording the export to tape without problems.
I feel relieved as the projection of the movie is for the 18th of January and until last week I could not deliver this costy and demanding to my clients and I was bull... them about off line previews etc..
All the best - Panos Bournias

John Mitchell · January 11th, 2006, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panos Bournias

My problems John are described in this post.
In brief... while editing an HDV 720p project, everything was bad with the Xpress Pro 520 and everything went better with the 521 updated version.
But the big problem, before the update of the BRHD50, was that I could not export to HDV device without serious drop outs to the recorded project.
Now I did 6 in total print outs, for the 3 language versions of the project and it worked fine.
If I export to the camera, through the HD link, as Avid still cannot recognize it, i still get many drop outs, using the same m2t file.
I hope there will be an update for the camera too.
In DV mode it has been recording the export to tape without problems.
I feel relieved as the projection of the movie is for the 18th of January and until last week I could not deliver this costy and demanding to my clients and I was bull... them about off line previews etc..
All the best - Panos Bournias

Sorry Panos - I thought you meant you couldn't get the camera to be recognised at all by the Avid over IEEE. It seems like it's the export to tape function only - I haven't tested this.

January 6th, 2006, 08:53 AM	#121
Jiri Bakala Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kelowna BC Canada Posts: 706	The deck IS fully supported (certified) by AVID in SD. Including the RS422. That means that the issues are only when working in HDV. __________________ www.ascentfilms.com

January 6th, 2006, 02:37 PM	#122
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	I actually never thought to look in the SD devices for the BR-50 as we planned to use it only for HDV work. Thanks for pointing that out but I am now more confused then. What is keeping it form being certified with HDV? Interesting. By the way, my JVC Engineer knew about your issue I think. Seems they now know you in JVC headquarters. Better keep a low profile for a while. : ) As for our audio and TC issue with the camera, he tells me our shoot tape is on it's way to Japan. Apparently they want to see it. Hmm. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

January 7th, 2006, 11:54 PM	#124
Panos Bournias Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 109	MPG2 Errors Our tape was also sent to JVC Japan and they came up with the conclusion that there were errors in TC, they reported that they supposed the Avid 520 (that time) and the BRHD50 were not working together optimally. As it happens the JVC and the Avid representative in Jakarta to be the same company, the response for us was fast. We got in time the Avid upgrade 521 and the betta improvement for the BRHD50. Now we just wait for the full support of the cam from the Avid. The curious thing was that the same problems for the particular MT2 file were obvious on the tape exported via Cineform and Canopus. -Instead an Mt2 produced via cineform had no drop outs at all. This is that i cannot understand. We also transcoded the m2t produced by the avid to Cineform m2t but the errors were there. We also transcoded the sequence to DNXHD 75 with the same results. The last upgrade of the spooler seems to work fine eliminating the errors. - In sd the spooler works fine and it is fully supported by avid. The HD 101 E though seems that cannot be recognised by the Avid application. The HDlink recognises it immediately without problems. But the errors of the print out were more obvious through the camera than through the spooler. Maybe Steven can figure out a conclusion for these mysteries... Anyway we are pioneering the domain HDV so we get a taste of this adventure... (That is not bad)! Panos B

January 8th, 2006, 06:19 AM	#126
Panos Bournias Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 109	firware It is a firmware, i do not know how it is installed. I know that it took him 10 to 15 min to install it but i did not go into his room to see what he was doing. I know that it was a file sent from JVC attached to an e-mail.

January 8th, 2006, 06:46 PM	#127
Stewart Rein Tourist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Harrisburg PA Posts: 4	HVR-A1 Avid Non Recognition in HDV Mode Has anyone encountered this problem with Avid and the Sony HVR-A1?. The camera is recognized in HDV Mode by HDLink and in Premiere Pro 1.5.1 with Aspect HD but not by Avid whose Console reports no camera initialized. Avid will only recognize it as a DVcam Deck when set to down convert to DV. Any ideas anyone?

January 9th, 2006, 12:30 AM	#128
Panos Bournias Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 109	about the upgrade Jim, I have just noticed: In the back of the spooler there is a memory socket for a normal SD card. They upgrade the spooler using a memory card with the firmware file throught that socket.

January 10th, 2006, 10:54 PM	#129
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	Dang, forgot to tell everyone. I have yet to fully test it but, the ver 104 update seems to have gotten the deck to correctly send TC and respond to RS-422 controllers. I was able to work with one of our decks using our old Sony edit controllers in our tape viewing room, about 75 feet away yesterday. You do indeed have a cover plate on the back of the deck. Insert the update SD card with the machine off. Set the front panel switches per the update instructions and hit a few menu buttons. The next bit is a touch scary. There is no real feedback except the last red LED of the audio 1/2 channel level flashes with activity. You see nothing on the monitor while updating. The updates on our 2 decks took nearly 5 minutes each. When it is done, both last audio ch 1/2 and 3/4 LEDs flash slowly. You remove the card and the machine will power itself off. On reboot, check the version number and make sure it is now the new version. JVC current version for the BR-HD50U deck (NTSC) seems to be 104. Ours came with 102 and had all the RS-422 and TC issues. I will be testing both decks directly hooked to Avids tomorrow. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

January 11th, 2006, 06:37 AM	#131
David Dessel Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 41	Need Update Too Sean, I need this update too. How did you get it from JVC? Best, Dave Dessel

January 11th, 2006, 08:01 AM	#132
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	Check with a JVC dealer (professional) and get your areas local support number. Ask for an Engineer. When you get in touch with a live human, explain to him you need the update for TC and RS/422 control issues. Let him know what version you currently have. The current update is ver 104. They may point you to a download link. Grab the file, unzip it and save it on a SD card. They will likely e-mail you instructions on how to do the update. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

January 11th, 2006, 10:28 AM	#133
Panos Bournias Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 109	My problems My problems John are described in this post. In brief... while editing an HDV 720p project, everything was bad with the Xpress Pro 520 and everything went better with the 521 updated version. But the big problem, before the update of the BRHD50, was that I could not export to HDV device without serious drop outs to the recorded project. Now I did 6 in total print outs, for the 3 language versions of the project and it worked fine. If I export to the camera, through the HD link, as Avid still cannot recognize it, i still get many drop outs, using the same m2t file. I hope there will be an update for the camera too. In DV mode it has been recording the export to tape without problems. I feel relieved as the projection of the movie is for the 18th of January and until last week I could not deliver this costy and demanding to my clients and I was bull... them about off line previews etc.. All the best - Panos Bournias