Low-light test shoot

Tim Dashwood · September 29th, 2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Livingstone

Is that shoot with the stock lens?

Yes. The 13x3.5 isn't available here yet.

Michael Maier · September 29th, 2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Soroush Shahrokni

Michael check the footage again. I didnt notice it the first time I watched it either...but then I just jumped out of my chair when I watched it for the second time. Sad!

I'm sorry, but I watched both clips again, with my nose glued on the monitor, and couldn't see it. Where exactly are you seeing it?

Stephen L. Noe · September 29th, 2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Maier

I'm sorry, but I watched both clips again, with my nose glued on the monitor, and couldn't see it. Where exactly are you seeing it?

Click for image

These are single frame's with split in the motion picture, not overall split in the motion picture. They are hard to pick up unless you're looking for them.

Jiri Bakala · September 29th, 2005, 10:53 PM

Now that the split screen was pointed out I can see it in a handful of shots. You really have to look hard but I guess if the film was blown up to 35mm or even shown in HD on a big size TV, it may be more visible.

Michael Maier · September 29th, 2005, 11:13 PM

Ok, I see it now. But even in the still frame you have to look for it. Did you bright the shots to make them more visable?

Stephen L. Noe · September 29th, 2005, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Maier

Ok, I see it now. But even in the still frame you have to look for it. Did you bright the shots to make them more visable?

No, no enhancement. That was a screenshot from the QT player.

Tim D. What's the serial number on your unit?

Soroush Shahrokni · September 30th, 2005, 10:15 AM

Tim, is it possible for you to upload the first shot of your teaser or the close up of the girl in raw .m2t?

Tim Dashwood · September 30th, 2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Soroush Shahrokni

Tim, is it possible for you to upload the first shot of your teaser or the close up of the girl in raw .m2t?

I've uploaded a few takes to my public folder. The original m2t files.

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/...etup06-tk1.m2t

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/.../setup16-2.m2t

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/.../setup17-1.m2t

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/.../setup18-1.m2t

Joe Carney · September 30th, 2005, 03:14 PM

I only saw it because someone pointed it out, it wasn't bad at all. If I already didn't know about the sse, I wouldn't have noticed at all. I thought it would be more pronounced. Easily taken care of in post IMHO. Still, it's a bummer to even have to deal with it at all. This cam is definitely not for newbies.

I'm scared to order one now. Sorry if that sounds wimpy, but I gave up being a guinea pig for new tech a long time ago. Let you young whipper snappers take the risks for now. hehehe

I think I'll just rent a DVX100a and shoot with that. Assuming the HD100 is still around, I can wait till the Canon and the Panasonic are released to make a final decision. Too much at stake to rush into things. And now, hearing about that new Sony cam coming out in spring , yet another thing to think about.

Nate Weaver · September 30th, 2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Carney

This cam is definitely not for newbies.

Finally, a true nugget of wisdom on this board!

Stephen L. Noe · September 30th, 2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

I've uploaded a few takes to my public folder. The original m2t files.

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/...etup06-tk1.m2t

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/.../setup16-2.m2t

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/.../setup17-1.m2t

http://homepage.mac.com/timdashwood/.../setup18-1.m2t

Tim, bad news. I dropped the files on the timeline and sent them out to monitor. There is no mistaking the split when sent out to CRT monitor. It is not fleeting or flashing by. Take a look when the director says to the girl "fall down" on setup-06.m2t. Right when her face leaves the scene you absolutely can not miss the split for the rest of the duration of the shot. Damn it! This thing could kill one of the most phenomenal camera packages to come along in a long time.

It is what it is and there is no mistaking it. I posted an ISO on another thread for SD DVD. If you download it and burn it you'll see (if you haven't already). I asked you on another thead what the serial number of the camera in question was. Is it low??

Tim Dashwood · September 30th, 2005, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe

I asked you on another thead what the serial number of the camera in question was. Is it low??

The serial numbers are 8 digits, so it is hard to tell what they mean. There is probably some type of coding system that tells you when the unit was manufactured.

I'll email them to you so you can try to decipher them.

Tim Dashwood · September 30th, 2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe

Tim, bad news. I dropped the files on the timeline and sent them out to monitor. There is no mistaking the split when sent out to CRT monitor. It is not fleeting or flashing by. Take a look when the director says to the girl "fall down" on setup-06.m2t. Right when her face leaves the scene you absolutely can not miss the split for the rest of the duration of the shot. Damn it! This thing could kill one of the most phenomenal camera packages to come along in a long time.

I saw it, but that wasn't why I posted the footage. The point of this test was very low ambient light, but I was fortunate enough to get a bit of split screen.
That's exactly why I'm doing so many tests. I wouldn't want to find this stuff out while in production.
What I find really interesting is how it "flickers" in and out. The intermittency is probably a pretty good clue as to what is actually happening and why. I need to test this in a controlled environment some more before I send this unit back to JVC.

Chris Hurd · October 1st, 2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

The serial numbers are 8 digits, so it is hard to tell what they mean. There is probably some type of coding system that tells you when the unit was manufactured.

It would be very difficult to try to identify an affected batch vs. an unaffected batch by analyzing serial numbers on any of today's camcorders. These numbers are not just a direct progressive sequence like they were just a few short years ago. Those numbers will tell you what the technician on that assembly line ate for breakfast the morning your camera was built, but without knowing how those serial numbers are coded they would be impossible to decipher properly.

Soroush Shahrokni · October 1st, 2005, 06:34 AM

Tim, thx alot for posting the clips!

September 29th, 2005, 10:53 PM	#19
Jiri Bakala Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kelowna BC Canada Posts: 706	Now that the split screen was pointed out I can see it in a handful of shots. You really have to look hard but I guess if the film was blown up to 35mm or even shown in HD on a big size TV, it may be more visible. __________________ www.ascentfilms.com

September 29th, 2005, 11:13 PM	#20
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Ok, I see it now. But even in the still frame you have to look for it. Did you bright the shots to make them more visable?

September 30th, 2005, 10:15 AM	#22
Soroush Shahrokni Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 100	Tim, is it possible for you to upload the first shot of your teaser or the close up of the girl in raw .m2t?

September 30th, 2005, 03:14 PM	#24
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	I only saw it because someone pointed it out, it wasn't bad at all. If I already didn't know about the sse, I wouldn't have noticed at all. I thought it would be more pronounced. Easily taken care of in post IMHO. Still, it's a bummer to even have to deal with it at all. This cam is definitely not for newbies. I'm scared to order one now. Sorry if that sounds wimpy, but I gave up being a guinea pig for new tech a long time ago. Let you young whipper snappers take the risks for now. hehehe I think I'll just rent a DVX100a and shoot with that. Assuming the HD100 is still around, I can wait till the Canon and the Panasonic are released to make a final decision. Too much at stake to rush into things. And now, hearing about that new Sony cam coming out in spring , yet another thing to think about.

October 1st, 2005, 06:34 AM	#30
Soroush Shahrokni Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 100	Tim, thx alot for posting the clips!