Upgrade Wishlist (updated with HD200/250 results)

Chris Basmas · April 11th, 2006, 04:53 PM

How is this possible with a Fujinon lens?
Is there a separate cable running into under the lens connector?

Tim Dashwood · April 11th, 2006, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Basmas

How is this possible with a Fujinon lens?
Is there a separate cable running into under the lens connector?

Servo control is on three of the pins in the Fujinon connector. This allows the camera to control zooming.

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 05:08 PM

Normally I would agree but one thing I liked about the xl-2 is I can ski with it grasped by the handle and pull out. (although it took alot of practice for me).

If I can get JVC to correct mine, why I got an older one I don't know, It would help me.

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 05:10 PM

Thanks though. Good to know that it is there.

Greg Boston · April 11th, 2006, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

Frankly, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It is a very "consumer-like" feature and I have never personally had a need for it. In fact, I hardly ever engage the servo.

With all due respect Tim, most 'consumer' cams don't even have a top handle to put a rocker switch on. :-)

I always use the handle zoom for framing low angle shots. In fact, I used mine this past weekend during some behind the scenes stuff at our Texas HD Shootout.

I suppose it depends on the type of projects or shots you normally do with your camera.

-gb-

Enzo Giobbé · April 11th, 2006, 06:18 PM

Right now (for ENG work) we use a small two channel Bluetooth receiver/transmitter mounted on the camera. One channel (receiving) is hooked into the camera (headset jack), and the other channel (sending) goes via a headset with mic to a Bluetooth enabled "earwig" the on-camera talent uses (talent can hear via the wireless earwig, talk via the wireless handheld mic). Operator can hear what the mic is picking up (including talent) on the camera circuit and talk to talent via the paired send/receive Bluetooth device.

Just a built in Bluetooth sending circuit feeding off the audio monitor would be nice and eliminate headphone WIRES.

On the other hand, I REALLY like the built in headphone (and easy to reach/use channel selector) on the HD-100, it's so much better than the usual camera ENG built in monitor. Very nice touch JVC!

Carl Hicks · April 11th, 2006, 08:45 PM

All,

JVC Pro offers a top handle-mounted zoom rocker control. It is the HZ-ZS100. List price is $279, and you can order it from any authorized JVC Pro dealer. It is in stock at JVC. Here is a link to our page that describes it.

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...l_id=MDL101597

Regards,

Carl

Jeff Morrissette · April 12th, 2006, 11:28 AM

Sweet, thanks!

Jeff Morrissette · April 13th, 2006, 07:39 PM

Another request: Is it possible to have a portable hard drive that would connect to the component instead of firewire so we can get the 720p with 60 frames?

I would guess such a unit would suck alot of power. I know it would probably be bigger but if it could fit in a pocket or packpack with it's own battery we would have a realistic portable 720p60f solution.

Maybe the size of the JVC portable hdv deck. Actually if the drive was big enough maybe it could be used to dump footage from the focus type drive.

Like maybe hold 18 hours. that way if you were on location and it filled up you don't necessarily need a computer and firedrive to clean it off.

Just thinking out loud. Actually at this point if it had a small lcd screen that would be pretty cool too. You could play it back on location without having to stop shooting. Good for sporting events or videographers.

Jeff Morrissette · April 14th, 2006, 12:59 PM

The only other complaint is I wish somtimes the lcd was on top instead of the side. But I guess I could just buy a second lcd screen.

Jaron Berman · April 16th, 2006, 07:12 PM

The sad fact of the moment is that no camera below Cinealta or Varicam price does everything we want it to for a price we're willing to pay. But until something does (then again...will we ever be satisfied), this little guy is pretty amazing. For less money than the HVX or XL-H1 this thing delivers a far more complete package for indie production. That said....

There are workarounds for most flaws on most cameras. It sucks to drop a lot of cash on a camera to get 80% of the functionality we're looking for. But hopefully forums like this will point the manufacturers in the right direction. I was prepaid for an HVX before I saw it, and saw this, and quickly rushed to switch sides to JVC. I'm happy I did.

For me, the only issues that don't yet have good workarounds are frame rates and bandwidth. JVC shot themselves in the foot by trying the lever into the HDV standard. You have a camera which leapfrogs anything else out there in so many aspects, and cram what could be a magical picture into the worst possible format. My advice:

Keep the HD100, add a model with variable rate recording and compete with XDCAM HD. Jack the price a bit, who cares! People will complain about ANY price, no matter what, but if you can put all that lovely data down at Sony's max 35mbps or even 50!!!!!, you'll win over a lot of people on the fence. Yes, the 1/3" vs. 1/2" chip debate will rage, but from what people are saying, so far the XDCAM HD looks like 1/3" chips with really really high detail and a better than HDV codec.

In terms of frame rates, offer SOME solution to capture variable frame rates. Panasonic released the baby varicam, and we all have a case of jealousy. Now that we know it's possible (relatively) cheaply, why not make that type of recording natively available on a FAR better camera, the JVC. Better yet, solve both problems above, as well as battery life by:

Redesign the rear battery mount. Include space for a firestore-type unit molded in and produced by JVC. The catch would be instead of using fixed drives within, copy AVID and sell hot-swappable drive trays. Users could order as many trays as they want, and feel like they're getting a good deal becase they can use whatever brand and size drive they want, FUTURE PROOF (as long as we have hard drives around). By doing this, JVC could allow a proprietary HDV-based file format with unlimited flexibility...a-la-wafian, and record multiple frame rates at 4:2:2. Oh, and with removable storage, nobody could knock them about basically anything. Even now, if you compared 3.5"hdd's to XDCAM discs or HDCAM tapes, you'd find that using your own drives "consumably" (i.e. as your archival media, like tapes), it would probably costa about the same dollar per minute archival. yes it would be more expensive than DV tapes, but then again, when you start hanging cables and converters off the back to interface with recorders etc..etc...etc, you end up paying a LOT MORE. Plus, the tape mech. would still be built in, so like the HVX, if you needed to you could still use tapes....and brilliantly JVC allows HDV recording to tape, so it's STILL one up.

Oh, and the best part about redesigning the butt of the camera? JVC could ditch the HD100 batteries, and with their newer more pro-oriented model step to 3-pin batteries (gold mount).

If JVC doesn't do it, I will. I promise!

But in the meantime, HUGE respect to JVC for an ergonomically AWESOME camera with the best feature of all - real focus aid! Who cares what rez the lcd/evf is, the focus assist feature is the best thing put into a dv/hdv camera EVER! In the end, what good are all those XL-H1 pixels if you can't get sharp focus? Charts are charts and resolution is one thing....but this camera rocks in the real world, which is the only place we're using it that matters.

Jaron Berman · April 24th, 2006, 03:09 PM

WOW, thanks JVC! I like when manufacturers listen. Can't compliment them highly enough. Looks like I'll be upgrading.

Ram Ganesh · April 24th, 2006, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giuseppe Pugliese

(on Dec 2005)

I say lets call it the GY-HD200u :-D

you are clairevoyant..! :)

they just did release Gy-HD200U (http://snipurl.com/jvccomparison)

Stephen L. Noe · April 24th, 2006, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram Ganesh

you are clairevoyant..! :)

they just did release Gy-HD200U (http://snipurl.com/jvccomparison)

You've short changed the HD-100 on your chart. It's highest possible color and framerate are 422 @ 60fps out of the component connections (just like the HD200). The HD-250 brings HD-SDI, genlock and word clock into the equation.

The 60fps component out on the HD-100 gives incredible results.

Ram Ganesh · April 24th, 2006, 05:34 PM

thanks stephen - i've updated it...

April 11th, 2006, 06:18 PM	#66
Enzo Giobbé Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA and Roma, Italia Posts: 155	Bluetooth! Right now (for ENG work) we use a small two channel Bluetooth receiver/transmitter mounted on the camera. One channel (receiving) is hooked into the camera (headset jack), and the other channel (sending) goes via a headset with mic to a Bluetooth enabled "earwig" the on-camera talent uses (talent can hear via the wireless earwig, talk via the wireless handheld mic). Operator can hear what the mic is picking up (including talent) on the camera circuit and talk to talent via the paired send/receive Bluetooth device. Just a built in Bluetooth sending circuit feeding off the audio monitor would be nice and eliminate headphone WIRES. On the other hand, I REALLY like the built in headphone (and easy to reach/use channel selector) on the HD-100, it's so much better than the usual camera ENG built in monitor. Very nice touch JVC! __________________ Enzo Giobbé www.enzogiobbe.com

April 11th, 2006, 08:45 PM	#67
Carl Hicks JVC America Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 516	HZ-ZS100 zoom controller All, JVC Pro offers a top handle-mounted zoom rocker control. It is the HZ-ZS100. List price is $279, and you can order it from any authorized JVC Pro dealer. It is in stock at JVC. Here is a link to our page that describes it. http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...l_id=MDL101597 Regards, Carl

April 12th, 2006, 11:28 AM	#68
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	thanks! Sweet, thanks!

April 16th, 2006, 07:12 PM	#71
Jaron Berman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 439	This thing is WICKED.....but The sad fact of the moment is that no camera below Cinealta or Varicam price does everything we want it to for a price we're willing to pay. But until something does (then again...will we ever be satisfied), this little guy is pretty amazing. For less money than the HVX or XL-H1 this thing delivers a far more complete package for indie production. That said.... There are workarounds for most flaws on most cameras. It sucks to drop a lot of cash on a camera to get 80% of the functionality we're looking for. But hopefully forums like this will point the manufacturers in the right direction. I was prepaid for an HVX before I saw it, and saw this, and quickly rushed to switch sides to JVC. I'm happy I did. For me, the only issues that don't yet have good workarounds are frame rates and bandwidth. JVC shot themselves in the foot by trying the lever into the HDV standard. You have a camera which leapfrogs anything else out there in so many aspects, and cram what could be a magical picture into the worst possible format. My advice: Keep the HD100, add a model with variable rate recording and compete with XDCAM HD. Jack the price a bit, who cares! People will complain about ANY price, no matter what, but if you can put all that lovely data down at Sony's max 35mbps or even 50!!!!!, you'll win over a lot of people on the fence. Yes, the 1/3" vs. 1/2" chip debate will rage, but from what people are saying, so far the XDCAM HD looks like 1/3" chips with really really high detail and a better than HDV codec. In terms of frame rates, offer SOME solution to capture variable frame rates. Panasonic released the baby varicam, and we all have a case of jealousy. Now that we know it's possible (relatively) cheaply, why not make that type of recording natively available on a FAR better camera, the JVC. Better yet, solve both problems above, as well as battery life by: Redesign the rear battery mount. Include space for a firestore-type unit molded in and produced by JVC. The catch would be instead of using fixed drives within, copy AVID and sell hot-swappable drive trays. Users could order as many trays as they want, and feel like they're getting a good deal becase they can use whatever brand and size drive they want, FUTURE PROOF (as long as we have hard drives around). By doing this, JVC could allow a proprietary HDV-based file format with unlimited flexibility...a-la-wafian, and record multiple frame rates at 4:2:2. Oh, and with removable storage, nobody could knock them about basically anything. Even now, if you compared 3.5"hdd's to XDCAM discs or HDCAM tapes, you'd find that using your own drives "consumably" (i.e. as your archival media, like tapes), it would probably costa about the same dollar per minute archival. yes it would be more expensive than DV tapes, but then again, when you start hanging cables and converters off the back to interface with recorders etc..etc...etc, you end up paying a LOT MORE. Plus, the tape mech. would still be built in, so like the HVX, if you needed to you could still use tapes....and brilliantly JVC allows HDV recording to tape, so it's STILL one up. Oh, and the best part about redesigning the butt of the camera? JVC could ditch the HD100 batteries, and with their newer more pro-oriented model step to 3-pin batteries (gold mount). If JVC doesn't do it, I will. I promise! But in the meantime, HUGE respect to JVC for an ergonomically AWESOME camera with the best feature of all - real focus aid! Who cares what rez the lcd/evf is, the focus assist feature is the best thing put into a dv/hdv camera EVER! In the end, what good are all those XL-H1 pixels if you can't get sharp focus? Charts are charts and resolution is one thing....but this camera rocks in the real world, which is the only place we're using it that matters.

April 24th, 2006, 03:09 PM	#72
Jaron Berman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 439	Thank you JVC!!!! WOW, thanks JVC! I like when manufacturers listen. Can't compliment them highly enough. Looks like I'll be upgrading.

April 11th, 2006, 04:53 PM	#61
Chris Basmas Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 45	How is this possible with a Fujinon lens? Is there a separate cable running into under the lens connector?

April 11th, 2006, 05:08 PM	#63
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	Normally I would agree but one thing I liked about the xl-2 is I can ski with it grasped by the handle and pull out. (although it took alot of practice for me). If I can get JVC to correct mine, why I got an older one I don't know, It would help me.

April 11th, 2006, 05:10 PM	#64
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	Thanks though. Good to know that it is there.

April 13th, 2006, 07:39 PM	#69
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	Another request: Is it possible to have a portable hard drive that would connect to the component instead of firewire so we can get the 720p with 60 frames? I would guess such a unit would suck alot of power. I know it would probably be bigger but if it could fit in a pocket or packpack with it's own battery we would have a realistic portable 720p60f solution. Maybe the size of the JVC portable hdv deck. Actually if the drive was big enough maybe it could be used to dump footage from the focus type drive. Like maybe hold 18 hours. that way if you were on location and it filled up you don't necessarily need a computer and firedrive to clean it off. Just thinking out loud. Actually at this point if it had a small lcd screen that would be pretty cool too. You could play it back on location without having to stop shooting. Good for sporting events or videographers.

April 14th, 2006, 12:59 PM	#70
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	The only other complaint is I wish somtimes the lcd was on top instead of the side. But I guess I could just buy a second lcd screen.

April 24th, 2006, 05:34 PM	#75
Ram Ganesh Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 175	thanks stephen - i've updated it...