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Edwin Huang · August 20th, 2005, 11:08 AM

Slightly off topic but a good 1/3 of my money spent on a new camera is on a complementary VTR. With that said, has anyone who bought the hd100 also get the jvc br-hd50?

I really want reviews of the deck. Especially how it handles sony hdv tapes. right now it's the only large format hdv VTR out there.

Nate Weaver · August 20th, 2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Edwin Huang

I really want reviews of the deck. Especially how it handles sony hdv tapes.

AFAIK, it doesn't handle Sony HDV at all.

Barry Green · August 20th, 2005, 01:52 PM

Confirmed -- it will not play Sony HDV at all.

It will play back DVCAM for standard-def, but it refuses to play Sony HDV in any way.

Edwin Huang · August 20th, 2005, 02:19 PM

Disappointing, i thought it would at least capture from it- maybe not display but dump into the firewire interface. :(

But other than that, does it seem like a solid deck? Does anyone actually have one?

Tim Baker · August 20th, 2005, 05:46 PM

I actually had one on order, but cancelled it because of the Sony incompatability.

From what I can see...the Firestore may be a better alternative right now. At least you can take that to a Sony client and to a post session on it or copy all over to the editor hds.

From all that I can deduece?...it is a problem with Sony holding their cards close to their vests...not a problem with JVC oversight in design.

Luis Reggiardo · August 21st, 2005, 02:26 AM

if you WANT to be able to edit ALL HDV formats and save HD100 video heads from hard work, follow these 3 steps:

1- Buy the GY-HD100 to do your shooting if JVCs 720p is your choice.
2- Also, Buy the JVC deck to handle easily JVC's HDV 720p + All MiniDV + all DVcam.
3- Finally, wait some months and buy the CHEAPEST Sony HDV mini handycam available, so you can download/upload any SONY 1080i HDV to and from your computer when you need to.

That way you can edit ANY HDV/DVCAM/MiniDV format available for the lowest cost...

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

L

Guy Barwood · August 21st, 2005, 05:13 PM

The stupid thing is, not only will the JVC deck not play Sony HDV, but the Sony HDV deck won't play JVC HDV.

What type of standard allows the use of the same logo on two completely incompatible products in this way. They should both be able to at least play each others tapes, and as a deck, they really should be able to record in both formats...

I certainly wouldn't spend money on a deck with such limitations, although I can understand how someone who captures a lot could still get good use from one.

Chris Hurd · August 21st, 2005, 05:44 PM

One interesting thing about the BR-HD50 deck. It accepts *full size* cassettes. I wonder how long it'll be before we see full-size HDV cassettes hit the market...

Guy Barwood · August 21st, 2005, 07:28 PM

Agreed. I'll bet the JVC HD7000 will have large tape support, but I'd love to see a HD100 in a DV5100 body (adapted to 1/3") with large tape support.

How much extra do you think that would cost if they did it? There would also be much better euronomics for mounting hard drives than the painful way the HD100 does it, not to mention it would probably be better balanced.

I'm split between wanting a high res B/W viewfinder or the colour LCD VF with focus assist...

Barry Green · August 21st, 2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Barwood

The stupid thing is, not only will the JVC deck not play Sony HDV, but the Sony HDV deck won't play JVC HDV.

Only partly true. The Sony deck has a partial playback provision for JVC HDV -- the Sony FX1 can play back JVC HD1 tapes to analog output. It can't play them to firewire (i.e., you can't use any Sony equipment to digitize any JVC tapes!) And I don't know whether the Sony can play back/transport ProHD 24P. But for analog viewing, the Sony can view JVC 30P tapes.

The JVC gear has no provision for recognizing Sony HDV at all. And Sony gear cannot clone or transport any JVC data over firewire. But the Sony stuff can at least be used to view JVC tapes over the analog component outputs.

Nate Weaver · August 21st, 2005, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Green

And I don't know whether the Sony can play back/transport ProHD 24P.

That'd be a negatory on that, Bob.

Believe me, I tried.

Barry Green · August 22nd, 2005, 02:50 AM

Roger. Makes sense, actually, since even JVC's early deck says that it can't play 24P footage either...

Guy Barwood · August 22nd, 2005, 03:08 AM

seems strange that the Sony can read the JVC tape, decode the transport stream and output 720p yet it can't route the digital stream straight to the 1394 port, which I would have thought to be easier than analogue out.

I must admit I prefer the Sony deck with the LCD screen, however large tape support could be pretty handy too.

Andrew Farrell · August 22nd, 2005, 03:30 AM

What about SD footage? Or is this across both HDV and SD formats?

Guy Barwood · August 22nd, 2005, 03:49 AM

I could be very wrong but I think both with do DV from any standard DV source. 576p/480p (which technically arn't DV I think) may be a little problematic, and I would also be careful if the Sony will play back any of the 24fps modes of the JVC.

Hopefully someone else has more on this.

August 20th, 2005, 11:08 AM	#1
Edwin Huang Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 43	jvc br-hd50 Slightly off topic but a good 1/3 of my money spent on a new camera is on a complementary VTR. With that said, has anyone who bought the hd100 also get the jvc br-hd50? I really want reviews of the deck. Especially how it handles sony hdv tapes. right now it's the only large format hdv VTR out there.

August 20th, 2005, 05:46 PM	#5
Tim Baker Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 28	Da Deck... I actually had one on order, but cancelled it because of the Sony incompatability. From what I can see...the Firestore may be a better alternative right now. At least you can take that to a Sony client and to a post session on it or copy all over to the editor hds. From all that I can deduece?...it is a problem with Sony holding their cards close to their vests...not a problem with JVC oversight in design. __________________ "It is not the light at the end of the tunnel that we should seek...it is the courage to take the next step in the dark that we must find."

August 21st, 2005, 02:26 AM	#6
Luis Reggiardo Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 37	if you WANT to be able to edit ALL HDV formats and save HD100 video heads from hard work, follow these 3 steps: 1- Buy the GY-HD100 to do your shooting if JVCs 720p is your choice. 2- Also, Buy the JVC deck to handle easily JVC's HDV 720p + All MiniDV + all DVcam. 3- Finally, wait some months and buy the CHEAPEST Sony HDV mini handycam available, so you can download/upload any SONY 1080i HDV to and from your computer when you need to. That way you can edit ANY HDV/DVCAM/MiniDV format available for the lowest cost... Please correct me if I'm wrong! L __________________ Luis Buenos Aires, Argentina Film Student Last edited by Luis Reggiardo; August 21st, 2005 at 09:39 PM.

August 21st, 2005, 05:44 PM	#8
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	One interesting thing about the BR-HD50 deck. It accepts full size cassettes. I wonder how long it'll be before we see full-size HDV cassettes hit the market... __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 20th, 2005, 01:52 PM	#3
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Confirmed -- it will not play Sony HDV at all. It will play back DVCAM for standard-def, but it refuses to play Sony HDV in any way.

August 20th, 2005, 02:19 PM	#4
Edwin Huang Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 43	Disappointing, i thought it would at least capture from it- maybe not display but dump into the firewire interface. :( But other than that, does it seem like a solid deck? Does anyone actually have one?

August 21st, 2005, 05:13 PM	#7
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	The stupid thing is, not only will the JVC deck not play Sony HDV, but the Sony HDV deck won't play JVC HDV. What type of standard allows the use of the same logo on two completely incompatible products in this way. They should both be able to at least play each others tapes, and as a deck, they really should be able to record in both formats... I certainly wouldn't spend money on a deck with such limitations, although I can understand how someone who captures a lot could still get good use from one.

August 21st, 2005, 07:28 PM	#9
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	Agreed. I'll bet the JVC HD7000 will have large tape support, but I'd love to see a HD100 in a DV5100 body (adapted to 1/3") with large tape support. How much extra do you think that would cost if they did it? There would also be much better euronomics for mounting hard drives than the painful way the HD100 does it, not to mention it would probably be better balanced. I'm split between wanting a high res B/W viewfinder or the colour LCD VF with focus assist...

August 22nd, 2005, 02:50 AM	#12
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Roger. Makes sense, actually, since even JVC's early deck says that it can't play 24P footage either...

August 22nd, 2005, 03:08 AM	#13
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	seems strange that the Sony can read the JVC tape, decode the transport stream and output 720p yet it can't route the digital stream straight to the 1394 port, which I would have thought to be easier than analogue out. I must admit I prefer the Sony deck with the LCD screen, however large tape support could be pretty handy too.

August 22nd, 2005, 03:30 AM	#14
Andrew Farrell Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Penrith, NSW, AUSTRALIA Posts: 41	What about SD footage? Or is this across both HDV and SD formats?

August 22nd, 2005, 03:49 AM	#15
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	I could be very wrong but I think both with do DV from any standard DV source. 576p/480p (which technically arn't DV I think) may be a little problematic, and I would also be careful if the Sony will play back any of the 24fps modes of the JVC. Hopefully someone else has more on this.