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Robert Wiejak · December 26th, 2010, 03:11 PM

Hi,
Recently I have come across an adapter that fits ‘HD200 lens mount and allows me to use old Canon lenses to do micro videography. After some experimenting, I found out that bigger the zoom lens, farther I can be from the subject to get the same close up. Yes you say, that’s what the zoom is all about, but with this adapter using 70-210 zoom lens I can zoom full frame on an eye from about 3 to 8 feet away. I’d say that’s a long distance micro videography. So while thinking about maybe setting up for shooting wildlife a thought came across: ‘bigger zoom, farther from the subject, closer image’. Soon I found another great deal on a 600mm Canon mounted zoom lens. When it came, I was excited but as soon as I picked it up I found myself dumbfounded. It weighs over 2.25Kg (4.9lb).

So my question is: how heavy lens can I safely hang on the 200’s mount without supporting it?

Here are three sample shots:

JVC stock lens zoomed all the way out (the sign is in the middle of the frame).

JVC stock lens zoomed all the way in.

600mm lens (the sign is about 50m/163ft. away).

Don Bloom · December 26th, 2010, 03:56 PM

Just my opinion but I would be extremely careful with that 600 if it's not supported. Careful to the point that if it's not supported at least get a monopod under it. With the weight of that lens there is a whole lot of stress on the mounts.

Robert Wiejak · December 27th, 2010, 02:24 PM

Hi Don,

Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, all that weight really is putting a bit more pressure on that mount.
As per your suggestion, here it is with a monopod underneath it.

I’ll have to search the internet to see if there is anything I can support it with, as I don’t think the distances are in anyway, form, or shape standard (of the shelf).

Don Bloom · December 27th, 2010, 03:04 PM

I gotta say that's a monster lookeing piece of glass on that JVC. From the looks of it a monopod OR some sort of brace from the tripod head to the lens is definately needed. It would be tragic for that lens to to hit the ground because the mount broke. Have fun with it, I'll bet the image is awesome.

Steve Oakley · December 28th, 2010, 01:34 AM

you need a 15mm rods setup and lens support bracket, out near the end of the lens, not at the tripod mount which will put too much wieght out there. using a setup like this requires a lot of care & respect. I've got a 400mm lens on my 60D, and it has a full rods support setup.

Jimiz Zanei · December 28th, 2010, 02:39 AM

sure with canon lens , for reflex cam , like a 300 or more 600...you lose many light..and yoi increse many rumor, white e color...

I'v try time ago with many differents pentax lens... super zoom but low quality (hd ) and many degrade...(rumor)...

Robert Wiejak · December 28th, 2010, 11:23 AM

Hi Jimiz,

Yes, I am aware that there is no substitution for a real lens that is made for ‘that’ exact purpose (and costs thousands of dollars...).
But like I said in the OP, I found the adapter, felt like experimenting, that lead to 600mm lens.
At the end I only spend a bit over $200 on both.
Even if I never use it in a real production, this should be a great educational experience for me.

Phil Balsdon · January 1st, 2011, 04:06 PM

You need extra long matte box rails and a bridge support for the lens.

This is a simple device that fits to the rails with a height adjustable support that can be set to support the lens weight somewhere suitable under the barrel of the lens closer to the front element. It allows you to pan and tilt normally and relieves the mount of most of the weight.

Without this ultimately you will damage the lens mount on the camera.

Lee Mullen · January 2nd, 2011, 06:45 AM

What is this adapter that OP is talking about and can I attach Canon EF lenses? Where is the adapter for sale???

Robert Wiejak · January 2nd, 2011, 10:50 AM

Hi Lee,

Sorry to say, but this adapter is for Canon FD (manual) lenses only.

Here are my pictures of it:

JVC mount side.

Canon FD side.

From side...

I purchased it on eBay, from a fellow in Warsaw, Poland. As I am writing this, I see he still has 3 more available at $99USD each. The item number is 370463564061.

Lee Mullen · January 3rd, 2011, 07:12 AM

Thanks Rob. I have never used FD lenses before. Their focal length work fine with the HD200 then would you say? Any vignetting?

Robert Wiejak · January 3rd, 2011, 01:09 PM

Lee,

The Canon FD lens is a full 35mm lens (image: 36mm x 24mm).
On the other hand, HD200 has 1/3” sensor (image: 4.8mm x 3.6mm).
There will never be vignetting in this combination (or direction: FD > 1/3”) because the image projected by the FD lens is many times bigger (x50) than the HD200's sensor is.
The whole setup is for doing macro videography.

Here is an example I shot last year (this was done with DSLR camera, but I am aiming at doing the same with video):

¼” CCD video sensor.

Detail of the connections in the middle of the bottom row.

You could say: it’s like using extreme zoom lens, not exactly for every day event shooting.

December 26th, 2010, 03:11 PM	#1
Robert Wiejak Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 61	Lens mount Hi, Recently I have come across an adapter that fits ‘HD200 lens mount and allows me to use old Canon lenses to do micro videography. After some experimenting, I found out that bigger the zoom lens, farther I can be from the subject to get the same close up. Yes you say, that’s what the zoom is all about, but with this adapter using 70-210 zoom lens I can zoom full frame on an eye from about 3 to 8 feet away. I’d say that’s a long distance micro videography. So while thinking about maybe setting up for shooting wildlife a thought came across: ‘bigger zoom, farther from the subject, closer image’. Soon I found another great deal on a 600mm Canon mounted zoom lens. When it came, I was excited but as soon as I picked it up I found myself dumbfounded. It weighs over 2.25Kg (4.9lb). So my question is: how heavy lens can I safely hang on the 200’s mount without supporting it? Here are three sample shots: JVC stock lens zoomed all the way out (the sign is in the middle of the frame). JVC stock lens zoomed all the way in. 600mm lens (the sign is about 50m/163ft. away). __________________ __________ Rob.

December 26th, 2010, 03:56 PM	#2
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Just my opinion but I would be extremely careful with that 600 if it's not supported. Careful to the point that if it's not supported at least get a monopod under it. With the weight of that lens there is a whole lot of stress on the mounts. __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

December 27th, 2010, 02:24 PM	#3
Robert Wiejak Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 61	Hi Don, Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, all that weight really is putting a bit more pressure on that mount. As per your suggestion, here it is with a monopod underneath it. I’ll have to search the internet to see if there is anything I can support it with, as I don’t think the distances are in anyway, form, or shape standard (of the shelf). __________________ __________ Rob.

December 27th, 2010, 03:04 PM	#4
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	I gotta say that's a monster lookeing piece of glass on that JVC. From the looks of it a monopod OR some sort of brace from the tripod head to the lens is definately needed. It would be tragic for that lens to to hit the ground because the mount broke. Have fun with it, I'll bet the image is awesome. __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

December 28th, 2010, 01:34 AM	#5
Steve Oakley Trustee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1,158	you need a 15mm rods setup and lens support bracket, out near the end of the lens, not at the tripod mount which will put too much wieght out there. using a setup like this requires a lot of care & respect. I've got a 400mm lens on my 60D, and it has a full rods support setup. __________________ Steve Oakley DP • Audio Mixer • Editor • Colorist http://stevenoakley.com

December 28th, 2010, 02:39 AM	#6
Jimiz Zanei New Boot Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Latisana Udine Italy Posts: 23	sure with canon lens , for reflex cam , like a 300 or more 600...you lose many light..and yoi increse many rumor, white e color... I'v try time ago with many differents pentax lens... super zoom but low quality (hd ) and many degrade...(rumor)...

December 28th, 2010, 11:23 AM	#7
Robert Wiejak Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 61	Hi Jimiz, Yes, I am aware that there is no substitution for a real lens that is made for ‘that’ exact purpose (and costs thousands of dollars...). But like I said in the OP, I found the adapter, felt like experimenting, that lead to 600mm lens. At the end I only spend a bit over $200 on both. Even if I never use it in a real production, this should be a great educational experience for me. __________________ __________ Rob.

January 1st, 2011, 04:06 PM	#8
Phil Balsdon Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 91	You need extra long matte box rails and a bridge support for the lens. This is a simple device that fits to the rails with a height adjustable support that can be set to support the lens weight somewhere suitable under the barrel of the lens closer to the front element. It allows you to pan and tilt normally and relieves the mount of most of the weight. Without this ultimately you will damage the lens mount on the camera.

January 2nd, 2011, 06:45 AM	#9
Lee Mullen Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Western Australia Posts: 576	What is this adapter that OP is talking about and can I attach Canon EF lenses? Where is the adapter for sale???

January 2nd, 2011, 10:50 AM	#10
Robert Wiejak Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 61	Hi Lee, Sorry to say, but this adapter is for Canon FD (manual) lenses only. Here are my pictures of it: JVC mount side. Canon FD side. From side... I purchased it on eBay, from a fellow in Warsaw, Poland. As I am writing this, I see he still has 3 more available at $99USD each. The item number is 370463564061. __________________ __________ Rob.

January 3rd, 2011, 07:12 AM	#11
Lee Mullen Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Western Australia Posts: 576	Thanks Rob. I have never used FD lenses before. Their focal length work fine with the HD200 then would you say? Any vignetting?

January 3rd, 2011, 01:09 PM	#12
Robert Wiejak Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alberta Posts: 61	Lee, The Canon FD lens is a full 35mm lens (image: 36mm x 24mm). On the other hand, HD200 has 1/3” sensor (image: 4.8mm x 3.6mm). There will never be vignetting in this combination (or direction: FD > 1/3”) because the image projected by the FD lens is many times bigger (x50) than the HD200's sensor is. The whole setup is for doing macro videography. Here is an example I shot last year (this was done with DSLR camera, but I am aiming at doing the same with video): ¼” CCD video sensor. Detail of the connections in the middle of the bottom row. You could say: it’s like using extreme zoom lens, not exactly for every day event shooting. __________________ __________ Rob.