New Article From Broadcast and Cable at DVinfo.net

Sean Dinwoodie · March 21st, 2005, 01:58 PM

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/ind...cleID=CA510328

Check out what the Fox VP said.

Michael Struthers · March 21st, 2005, 05:44 PM

So does this thing have the 6 frame dropouts, like the Sony has the 15 frame dropouts? Is it supported by FCP?

Murad Toor · March 22nd, 2005, 06:11 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Struthers : So does this thing have the 6 frame dropouts, like the Sony has the 15 frame dropouts? Is it supported by FCP? -->>>

1. No, its 24p mode is actual 24p, with no redundant frames recorded (like the DVX100 and Varicam) and no frame dropouts.
2. Not yet, unless you count transcoding to a currently supported FCP timeline codec (such as 8 or 10 bit uncompressed HD, or DVCProHD 720p24) first.

Chris Hurd · March 22nd, 2005, 06:37 PM

It won't have *any* dropouts if you're recording directly to the optional onboard hard disk recorder.

Luis Caffesse · March 22nd, 2005, 06:50 PM

"It won't have *any* dropouts if you're recording directly to the optional onboard hard disk recorder."

Chris beat me to it, that's exactly what I was thinking.
This thing is sounding better everyday.

Steve Mullen · March 23rd, 2005, 04:06 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Struthers : So does this thing have the 6 frame dropouts, like the Sony has the 15 frame dropouts? Is it supported by FCP? -->>>

There are NO 6 frame DOs. Ugly rumor I may have started. :)

The 6 GOP frames are stored on 60 tracks. All the GOPS are in tiny blocks scatter through the 60 tracks.

A DO takes out a few blocks which error correction should fix.

A really big DO takes out some macroblocks, but can never take out a whole FRAME.

DV stores 6 frames over 60 tracks too.

Joe Carney · March 23rd, 2005, 01:15 PM

The folks over at cineform stated they anticipate no problems supporting it when it comes out. It's HDV, but at 24p. Good news for Vegas folks.

Michael Struthers · March 25th, 2005, 02:38 PM

Schweet. Was there an indication how much the optional hard disk recorder was going to cost, and the storage size?

Frederic Segard · March 29th, 2005, 10:08 PM

What? On-board hard drive? Do you mean on-board the cam itself, or as a Firestore type device?

Chris Hurd · March 29th, 2005, 11:28 PM

Frederic, it's going to be an external add-on recorder, most likely based on the FireStore FS-3.

March 21st, 2005, 01:58 PM	#1
Sean Dinwoodie Hollywood Studio Rentals Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 26	New Article From Broadcast and Cable http://www.broadcastingcable.com/ind...cleID=CA510328 Check out what the Fox VP said. __________________ __________________ Regards, Sean Dinwoodie Engineer & DP http://www.LAProHD.org

March 21st, 2005, 05:44 PM	#2
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	So does this thing have the 6 frame dropouts, like the Sony has the 15 frame dropouts? Is it supported by FCP? __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

March 22nd, 2005, 06:37 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	It won't have any dropouts if you're recording directly to the optional onboard hard disk recorder. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 22nd, 2005, 06:50 PM	#5
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	"It won't have any* dropouts if you're recording directly to the optional onboard hard disk recorder."* Chris beat me to it, that's exactly what I was thinking. This thing is sounding better everyday. __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas

March 23rd, 2005, 04:06 AM	#6
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Struthers : So does this thing have the 6 frame dropouts, like the Sony has the 15 frame dropouts? Is it supported by FCP? -->>> There are NO 6 frame DOs. Ugly rumor I may have started. :) The 6 GOP frames are stored on 60 tracks. All the GOPS are in tiny blocks scatter through the 60 tracks. A DO takes out a few blocks which error correction should fix. A really big DO takes out some macroblocks, but can never take out a whole FRAME. DV stores 6 frames over 60 tracks too. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

March 22nd, 2005, 06:11 PM	#3
Murad Toor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 125	<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Struthers : So does this thing have the 6 frame dropouts, like the Sony has the 15 frame dropouts? Is it supported by FCP? -->>> 1. No, its 24p mode is actual 24p, with no redundant frames recorded (like the DVX100 and Varicam) and no frame dropouts. 2. Not yet, unless you count transcoding to a currently supported FCP timeline codec (such as 8 or 10 bit uncompressed HD, or DVCProHD 720p24) first.

March 23rd, 2005, 01:15 PM	#7
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	The folks over at cineform stated they anticipate no problems supporting it when it comes out. It's HDV, but at 24p. Good news for Vegas folks.

March 25th, 2005, 02:38 PM	#8
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	Schweet. Was there an indication how much the optional hard disk recorder was going to cost, and the storage size? __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

March 29th, 2005, 10:08 PM	#9
Frederic Segard Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 209	What? On-board hard drive? Do you mean on-board the cam itself, or as a Firestore type device?

March 29th, 2005, 11:28 PM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Frederic, it's going to be an external add-on recorder, most likely based on the FireStore FS-3. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!